Am I correct in interpreting that post you are saying her post seemed more concerned with mafia play than town?

my post? I'm not getting the wording you're using here. What I mean is that her original post was focusing on Sooh being town with a special role and not the potential for her to be mafia. The conclusion I'm making is that Taborline is scum because she didn't take that possibility into consideration because she already knows Sooh's alignment

That's basically what I was saying. That you took her post to be focused on finding the cop (mafias goal) and not mafia (town goal)

You confused me with the wording. "concerned with mafia play than town play" is what was tripping me up. But yeah, that's the point I was getting at.

 

 

 

Were you asking me to explain, BFG? The only reason I brought it up was that it seemed like a clue, something to take into account as we move forward. And there being more scum than special town roles, that could be even more of a hint.

Lol ok. Why did you draw attention to the other potential PR when Laine said about mafia goons?

When I said about not wanting to lynch someone who was potentially the good role? Just as another side of why it would be interesting to know that Sooh had something, it can be beneficial for town as well.

BFG is right about this. Unless you thought town!Sooh was going to be mislynched, there's no benefit to town to outing her role (be it vanilla OR cop)

 

 

 

Were you asking me to explain, BFG? The only reason I brought it up was that it seemed like a clue, something to take into account as we move forward. And there being more scum than special town roles, that could be even more of a hint.

Lol ok. Why did you draw attention to the other potential PR when Laine said about mafia goons?

 

 

When I said about not wanting to lynch someone who was potentially the good role? Just as another side of why it would be interesting to know that Sooh had something, it can be beneficial for town as well.

 

Did you think Sooh was in danger of being lynched? What benefit to town?

 

 

Knowing that she might be something, watching her work and potentially being able to see she's actually good and not scum.

 

 

 

Were you asking me to explain, BFG? The only reason I brought it up was that it seemed like a clue, something to take into account as we move forward. And there being more scum than special town roles, that could be even more of a hint.

Lol ok. Why did you draw attention to the other potential PR when Laine said about mafia goons?

When I said about not wanting to lynch someone who was potentially the good role? Just as another side of why it would be interesting to know that Sooh had something, it can be beneficial for town as well.

BFG is right about this. Unless you thought town!Sooh was going to be mislynched, there's no benefit to town to outing her role (be it vanilla OR cop)

 

 

I wasn't trying to out her as a cop, I was trying to out her as possible scum (but mentioning that we should be careful as she could be a special town).

Tabor, what do you make of the votes on you, and the various defences?

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Clov (1): Dice

Taborline (3): Razen, Laine, Lessa

RTE (1): Clov

 

Not Voting (8): Taborline, Hallia, BFG, RTE, Rhea, Sooh, Cairos, Kronos

 

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST:

http://www.timeandda...t=cursive&csz=1

I've seen a lot of things I agree with being said so far.

 

My thoughts on people:

 

Taborline: New player making new player mistakes - nothing to be ashamed of, but I'm not buying she's scum yet.

Clov: Actually trying to find scum IMO - town lean

Laine: Similar to Clov - probably the most active and trying to do the most work. Town Lean

RTE: I'm with Clov here - his defense of Tabor makes sense, but his remark seems opportunistic yet he's unwilling to make a vote - leaning scum here

Hallia: Laine's got her meta down (<3 souvra)

Jagen/Sooh: as one who has left games for many reasons - this is by no means indicative of alignment - Jagen's reasons are her own - null because not enough to go on

 

Everyone else I'm pretty null on.

 

I feel good putting a vote on [v]RTE][/v] right now

As a note - Taborline - don't take my comment badly or as an insult. I think you're doing really well and am glad you are playing Mafia is a rough game to learn and quite frankly - I make new player mistakes all the time too

I feel like Taborline has had an ok response to pressure. I'm probably not going to make her my D1 vote unless something new comes up. I'm going to go over RTE's posts again when I wake up tomorrow to see if I can see what Clov sees. 

 

Glad we get a flip soon. D1 is always the worst day if you ask me. 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Clov (1): Dice
Taborline (3): Razen, Laine, Lessa
RTE (2): Clov, kronos

Not Voting (7): Taborline, Hallia, BFG, RTE, Rhea, Sooh, Cairos

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST: 
http://www.timeandda...t=cursive&csz=1 

Reading back when I first posted, and reading in the context of “special role” meaning only PR, Laine’s posts make good sense and I think she tried to pull me out well, to see if I was scum. My addition of “That too” does really look bad, and I don’t blame her for then jumping on me.

 

Sooh I can’t read, as the situation put her in a precarious position no matter what. I think I would have replied with what she did either way. Though her later saying I need to put myself out more is questionable, as I think I’ve sabotaged myself enough!

 

I could possibly see Lessa as getting in there to help the case, but really it’s such a bad mistake that it could go either way. 

 

RTE could be going for town cred - especially as if he IS scum, he knows I’m town and this is a really easy kill for them. 

 

They could all be scum and be reading from scripts in this situation.

As a note - Taborline - don't take my comment badly or as an insult. I think you're doing really well and am glad you are playing Mafia is a rough game to learn and quite frankly - I make new player mistakes all the time too

 

Thank you  

I feel like Taborline has had an ok response to pressure. I'm probably not going to make her my D1 vote unless something new comes up. I'm going to go over RTE's posts again when I wake up tomorrow to see if I can see what Clov sees. 

 

Glad we get a flip soon. D1 is always the worst day if you ask me. 

 

+1

 

As a note - Taborline - don't take my comment badly or as an insult. I think you're doing really well and am glad you are playing Mafia is a rough game to learn and quite frankly - I make new player mistakes all the time too

 

Thank you

 

 

You're welcome

Good morning!

 

And welcome, Sooh! I hate balloons too, they're the spawn of the Devil.

 

Why did Jagen leave us? Normally I would wonder if it's not because they had a special role, and therefore Sooh has it too, otherwise why quit so quickly? If you're vanilla town, you could just ride it out, check in from time to time, but if you needed to be active then you might throw in the towel right away knowing it's not fair to whichever team you're on.

 

Really bad post. Was thinking of voting then realised she is new so decided to let it go esp as people all jumped on it

 

 

Good morning!

 

And welcome, Sooh! I hate balloons too, they're the spawn of the Devil.

 

Why did Jagen leave us? Normally I would wonder if it's not because they had a special role, and therefore Sooh has it too, otherwise why quit so quickly? If you're vanilla town, you could just ride it out, check in from time to time, but if you needed to be active then you might throw in the towel right away knowing it's not fair to whichever team you're on.

Sometimes being scum in your first game is intimidating

 

 

Like this. Laine to be clear  are you insinuating Tab is scum or is this a general comment or is this an injoke?  Im reading it as the first

 

I'm totes gonna make everything a huge deal. I'm going to overreact to everything, BFG is going to nitpick, Sooh is going to be helpful, and Clov is gonna be Clov. At some point in the game Razen and/or Dice will try to lynch me after Clov creates a case on me out of nothing and I judge him harshly.

 

Oh wait, Hallia's in this game? If Hallia gets too friendly, she's probably scum.

 

Right now her joke:serious ratio is good.

 

 I can vote you now and beat the rush if you really want me too....

 

 

Hello Rhea! I'm Laine! I was AJ until Andrej started playing mafia and I've been booted from the spot. You can call me Alanna if you like, Laine is just a RL nickname because apparently Alanna is too many syllables.

 

A/B scenario was showing my thought process as to why I voted Taborline. I don't see how, as town, she would go straight to assuming Jagen's role that Sooh subbed in to would be a PR and not scum unless she was scum herself and knew that the Jagen/Sooh slot is already town. That combined with the role-fishing earns a vote from me.

 

OOC RL story   my ex boss is named alanna  but she says it as al ANN a.  For nine months i was saying it never getting picked up on the fact I was saying it wrong. Then 3 days before she leaves she blasts me for it! go figure

 

I think Tambourline's blunder is a noob one, and one very indicative of her noobness at mafia and nothing else. I will be looking closely at people who take the opportunity to build a train on her based on it. 

 

Defense of Tab noted  Fos noted as stinky. 

 

 

 

 

BFG how can it be either absurdly pro town or pro mafia? haha I feel like those are two extremes

Pro town because you try to draw attention away from the potential PR hunt, by focusing on the mafia side of it. Pro mafia because you're extending a conversation that could get 'dangerous'. Doubt you'd do something that risky as mafia though, so leaning town (bolstered from yesterday)

I guess that makes sense. But that's also not what bothers me. In a game where we're hunting for scum, why not mention scum and why say "special roles"? It's not necessarily the fishing that's bothering me, but her leaving out what should be the focus of a town member (finding scum).

 

 

Because I'm new to this game here and "Special Roles" is the term we use on my other forum as an all-encompassing term, that was all that was about.

 

 

You know how above I let her have some rope cause shes a noob? I think the noob card just got torn up. @Taborline  have you played mafia on other sites before this?

 

 

 

 

 

Were you asking me to explain, BFG? The only reason I brought it up was that it seemed like a clue, something to take into account as we move forward. And there being more scum than special town roles, that could be even more of a hint.

Lol ok. Why did you draw attention to the other potential PR when Laine said about mafia goons?

When I said about not wanting to lynch someone who was potentially the good role? Just as another side of why it would be interesting to know that Sooh had something, it can be beneficial for town as well.

BFG is right about this. Unless you thought town!Sooh was going to be mislynched, there's no benefit to town to outing her role (be it vanilla OR cop)

 

 

I wasn't trying to out her as a cop, I was trying to out her as possible scum (but mentioning that we should be careful as she could be a special town).

 

 

Now backtracks

 

 

 

 

I want to hear answers to my Qs from RTE and Taborline please

 

 

/snip

A/B scenario was showing my thought process as to why I voted Taborline. I don't see how, as town, she would go straight to assuming Jagen's role that Sooh subbed in to would be a PR and not scum unless she was scum herself and knew that the Jagen/Sooh slot is already town. That combined with the role-fishing earns a vote from me.

 

Ah ha! I've been wondering for a couple days now! I had a feeling Laine was you but I didn't want to get it wrong and look like an a#$. LOL

 

A/B scenario still sounds like WIFOM. 

/snip

And yet you like bubble wrap!!!!

/snip

Sooh is right on the bubble wrap, plus popping it is kinda therapeutic. The only time I have problems with bubble wrap is when I'm NOT allowed to pop it.

Do you think I'm trying to deceive anybody by presenting an argument saying that someone is scum based on an A/B scenario? I'm pretty sure that's what we're supposed to do, apply pressure to get this game rolling. As of yet nobody is really doing that and it worries me because deadline is tomorrow. We need people to talk so that we can weed out scum and I'm not really getting enough from most of the people in the game

 

 

I think Tambourline's blunder is a noob one, and one very indicative of her noobness at mafia and nothing else. I will be looking closely at people who take the opportunity to build a train on her based on it. 

 

While I agree with the thought of Taborline's reaction as a noob blunder. I can't help but feel that RTE is doing a bit of defending (or maybe deflecting) here (bold and underlined). Taking note of that. Just notes, hunches, and gut feelings are all Iv'e got right now! 

I feel like RTE's comment is him just trying to look good in this situation. Defend Taborline for town cred (defending the newbie) and present a "trap" for those opportunistically voting her? Mehhh

 

 

Blue...I think this is to me, so no, I do not get the feeling your trying to deceive anyone. I just feel my head spinning! Pretty much how I always feel in mafia games though, so nothing new!

 

 

Also don't like Rhea"s post. It gives me the feeling she is (or should be?) Suspicious of him, but she just "notes it".

As I said. Im noting things, getting some gut feelings, and that's about it right now. I do the "noted" thing a lot. 

 

BFG....I love the word "niggling"! 

 

Reading back when I first posted, and reading in the context of “special role” meaning only PR, Laine’s posts make good sense and I think she tried to pull me out well, to see if I was scum. My addition of “That too” does really look bad, and I don’t blame her for then jumping on me.

 

Sooh I can’t read, as the situation put her in a precarious position no matter what. I think I would have replied with what she did either way. Though her later saying I need to put myself out more is questionable, as I think I’ve sabotaged myself enough!

 

I could possibly see Lessa as getting in there to help the case, but really it’s such a bad mistake that it could go either way. 

 

RTE could be going for town cred - especially as if he IS scum, he knows I’m town and this is a really easy kill for them. 

 

They could all be scum and be reading from scripts in this situation.

 

 

I'm confused by what you mean about a mistake, or what the mistake you're referring to is.  If I'm understanding you correctly, you've not got an opinion either way on Lessa yet?  Looking at the votes up to this point, hers is the one that I think was the most opportunistic. 

 

But I also don't like the way you've tied them all together.  I think you've made good points about all of them, but the last sentence is what throws me.  I just don't like the way that you've categorized all of them as possibly being scum for making points against you.

 

 

Reading back when I first posted, and reading in the context of “special role” meaning only PR, Laine’s posts make good sense and I think she tried to pull me out well, to see if I was scum. My addition of “That too” does really look bad, and I don’t blame her for then jumping on me.

 

Sooh I can’t read, as the situation put her in a precarious position no matter what. I think I would have replied with what she did either way. Though her later saying I need to put myself out more is questionable, as I think I’ve sabotaged myself enough!

 

I could possibly see Lessa as getting in there to help the case, but really it’s such a bad mistake that it could go either way. 

 

RTE could be going for town cred - especially as if he IS scum, he knows I’m town and this is a really easy kill for them. 

 

They could all be scum and be reading from scripts in this situation.

 

 

I'm confused by what you mean about a mistake, or what the mistake you're referring to is.  If I'm understanding you correctly, you've not got an opinion either way on Lessa yet?  Looking at the votes up to this point, hers is the one that I think was the most opportunistic. 

 

But I also don't like the way you've tied them all together.  I think you've made good points about all of them, but the last sentence is what throws me.  I just don't like the way that you've categorized all of them as possibly being scum for making points against you.

 

 

I'm referring to my mistake of seeing the sub as important, or at least mentioning its importance.

 

I was leaning on Lessa in that statement, saying my mistake was really bad, but that of those who replied after me, she was the most suss.

 

My last statement was just to say that at this point, they could all be bad and just playing off of a set play as they have a town who has implicated themselves so badly.

@ BFG -

These were the posts that I liked from Clov at the time I had posted about things earlier. I'm going to try and put myself back into the zombified, drowsy, suffering from a cold state I was in last night and try to explain a little bit better.

 

Before I go into something longer, two things I want ot put out there:

 

1) Dice - who are you saying had good tone, and who are you insinuating didn't?  

 

2) Laine - That underlined statement was about me saying "Hallia hasn't even checked in".  I took Hallia's "Oh, I've checked in!" post to be in response to my statement to BFG about your vote, basically pointing out that what I said was inaccurate.  I was thinking Hallia hadn't checked in, meaning she had not posted on D1 prior to you voting her.  Obviously that's not what I typed, so I was owning up to the mistake.

The questions here were what I had liked, it's directed to get Dice to respond in a way that gets information - when worded like that, it's good to track to see how the reads and stuff progress as the day and game moves on.  I like seeing people push for things like that.

 

 

CLOV  are you talking about my  "unlike someone else" post?  cause thats a dig at laine based off the belicheck game

 

Okay.  Who are you saying was okay?  And more importantly, since it's a dig based on another game... was there any truth to it, or were you just making a joke?

 

Another attempt to get Dice to answer the question he had asked.  There was kind of a half answer that Clov had quoted above.  Dice hadn't really stated up to this point what he had thought about the tone of Laine's post.

 

 

 

CLOV  are you talking about my  "unlike someone else" post?  cause thats a dig at laine based off the belicheck game

 

Okay.  Who are you saying was okay?  And more importantly, since it's a dig based on another game... was there any truth to it, or were you just making a joke?

 

 

I thought Cairos reply was null. It seemed fair enuff thing to say. he wasnt agressive he wasnt playing the injured party. he just asked why. And you HADNT given a reason so again fair enuff

 

 

and the statement was based on something totally true lol.  I voted laine with a joke vote there she responded in a way i didnt like.. My vote sat there for 2 days cause I jumped on her reply. she flipped mafia on D2 hence the dig at her and hence her saying shes ignoring me now in response. 

 

And Dice's response.  I had liked the point about Cairos, because I was thinking the same thing, and I had said as much.  And Dice answers the question from Clov in a way that I found acceptable.  Not having played the game in question, if it's all about what transpired there, as long as it's all intended as a joke and there isn't deeper meaning, it's a null read, meaning to me at least that nobody came off looking better or worse for it.

 

For what it's worth, looking back, I think Clov comes off looking better in this exchange than Dice does.  But it's something that I found helpful to organize my own personal list of what I've observed and what I'm feeling about people.  I don't know if that makes any more sense, and I'm not sure if I'm able to replicate my state of mind from last night, haha.

 

 

 

Reading back when I first posted, and reading in the context of “special role” meaning only PR, Laine’s posts make good sense and I think she tried to pull me out well, to see if I was scum. My addition of “That too” does really look bad, and I don’t blame her for then jumping on me.

 

Sooh I can’t read, as the situation put her in a precarious position no matter what. I think I would have replied with what she did either way. Though her later saying I need to put myself out more is questionable, as I think I’ve sabotaged myself enough!

 

I could possibly see Lessa as getting in there to help the case, but really it’s such a bad mistake that it could go either way. 

 

RTE could be going for town cred - especially as if he IS scum, he knows I’m town and this is a really easy kill for them. 

 

They could all be scum and be reading from scripts in this situation.

 

 

I'm confused by what you mean about a mistake, or what the mistake you're referring to is.  If I'm understanding you correctly, you've not got an opinion either way on Lessa yet?  Looking at the votes up to this point, hers is the one that I think was the most opportunistic. 

 

But I also don't like the way you've tied them all together.  I think you've made good points about all of them, but the last sentence is what throws me.  I just don't like the way that you've categorized all of them as possibly being scum for making points against you.

 

 

I'm referring to my mistake of seeing the sub as important, or at least mentioning its importance.

 

I was leaning on Lessa in that statement, saying my mistake was really bad, but that of those who replied after me, she was the most suss.

 

My last statement was just to say that at this point, they could all be bad and just playing off of a set play as they have a town who has implicated themselves so badly.

 

That is a good observation.  Because I went back and looked at Lessa's vote on you, and it is entirely based upon the fact that you did read a lot into the switch.  Lessa's vote is actually looking worse to me as I read it, because it is an easy vote to make that hadn't really gone against the flow of things that had been said up to that point.  She also didn't add anything we hadn't seen before.  And I think she makes it sound bigger than it actually was, I don't recall you suggesting that Sooh throw the towel in or anything.  If anyone's looking to score town cred, from reading this, I think it's Lessa.  Unvote, vote: Lessa.

 

For some reason my multiquote and quote buttons aren't working

Alanna will forever be AJ to me, mostly because when I started here that was her  nickname.

 

As for the interaction between BFG and AJ, it feels like a normal reaction from  2 townies nitpicking one another but I do think the quoting may have gotten out of hand a bit.

 

And though it's been stated already, Jagen could have had to drop out for family or medical reasons and it not have to do with anything game related. The fact Taborline immediately went for thinking it was possibly because of Jagen's role is scummy to me. Then by saying that if the role requires being active and that (Sooh) should throw in the towel now as it would be unfair to either team she's on. That adds to the feeling of scummy and it sounds like you're trying to get votes on someone who you see as a rival if you are scum.

 

So that being said,

 

Vote Taborline

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Clov (1): Dice

Taborline (2): Laine, Lessa

RTE (2): Clov, Kronos

Lessa (1): Razen

 

Not Voting (7): Taborline, Hallia, BFG, RTE, Rhea, Sooh, Cairos

 

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST:

http://www.timeandda...t=cursive&csz=1

unvote  forgot to do it earlier

 

Taborline got an answer for me?

That is a good observation.  Because I went back and looked at Lessa's vote on you, and it is entirely based upon the fact that you did read a lot into the switch.  Lessa's vote is actually looking worse to me as I read it, because it is an easy vote to make that hadn't really gone against the flow of things that had been said up to that point.  She also didn't add anything we hadn't seen before.  And I think she makes it sound bigger than it actually was, I don't recall you suggesting that Sooh throw the towel in or anything.  If anyone's looking to score town cred, from reading this, I think it's Lessa.  Unvote, vote: Lessa.

 

For some reason my multiquote and quote buttons aren't working

Alanna will forever be AJ to me, mostly because when I started here that was her  nickname.

 

As for the interaction between BFG and AJ, it feels like a normal reaction from  2 townies nitpicking one another but I do think the quoting may have gotten out of hand a bit.

 

And though it's been stated already, Jagen could have had to drop out for family or medical reasons and it not have to do with anything game related. The fact Taborline immediately went for thinking it was possibly because of Jagen's role is scummy to me. Then by saying that if the role requires being active and that (Sooh) should throw in the towel now as it would be unfair to either team she's on. That adds to the feeling of scummy and it sounds like you're trying to get votes on someone who you see as a rival if you are scum.

 

So that being said,

 

Vote Taborline

 

 

 I don't hate this vote, and I think your claim about her making it bigger than it needs to is accurate enough (I couldn't find anything in Tab's ISO that really backs up the the bold), but I don't understand your point on Lessa being the one to gain town credit from it.  How do you feel she's benefiting from the vote?  "Town credit" in that context is usually reserved for "undeservedly" avoiding a mislynch - not piling onto a wagon.  

 

Only way I would see it working is if she's bussing a teammate.

I am definitely not voting Razen today, though.  Even though I'm not sure where he's coming from with the town credit aspect, he sounds very good to me this page.

 

 

 

 

Reading back when I first posted, and reading in the context of “special role” meaning only PR, Laine’s posts make good sense and I think she tried to pull me out well, to see if I was scum. My addition of “That too” does really look bad, and I don’t blame her for then jumping on me.

 

Sooh I can’t read, as the situation put her in a precarious position no matter what. I think I would have replied with what she did either way. Though her later saying I need to put myself out more is questionable, as I think I’ve sabotaged myself enough!

 

I could possibly see Lessa as getting in there to help the case, but really it’s such a bad mistake that it could go either way. 

 

RTE could be going for town cred - especially as if he IS scum, he knows I’m town and this is a really easy kill for them. 

 

They could all be scum and be reading from scripts in this situation.

 

 

I'm confused by what you mean about a mistake, or what the mistake you're referring to is.  If I'm understanding you correctly, you've not got an opinion either way on Lessa yet?  Looking at the votes up to this point, hers is the one that I think was the most opportunistic. 

 

But I also don't like the way you've tied them all together.  I think you've made good points about all of them, but the last sentence is what throws me.  I just don't like the way that you've categorized all of them as possibly being scum for making points against you.

 

 

Bold is something I can't see mafia saying at this point and something I strongly agree with.  Numbers make it impossible for him to be mafia with all three, so I would assume he would be trying to work that angle on one of them that he's not aligned with if he were mafia.  

 

His post about me looks like a genuine effort to read Dice and me, and he's working to get his thoughts explained to someone else.  

Good morning!

 

And welcome, Sooh! I hate balloons too, they're the spawn of the Devil.

 

Why did Jagen leave us? Normally I would wonder if it's not because they had a special role, and therefore Sooh has it too, otherwise why quit so quickly?[bold] If you're vanilla town, you could just ride it out, check in from time to time, but if you needed to be active then you might throw in the towel right away knowing it's not fair to whichever team you're on.[/bold]

This is when the towel throwing was mentioned. I wasn't trying to make her post bigger than they appeared to be, it was just how I saw it.

 

I don't see how a third vote is oppertunistic of me or how it's beneficial to me either. I had thought there had been one other vote on her when I voted her.

 

I also didn't add anything new about any one because I didn't have anything new to mention that hadn't been said already.

 

I'll go over the thread again once I'm done work