I need more from her.  There was nothing I had seen when I checked in that gave me strong feelings about her one way or another.  The reads list she posted yesterday doesn't look back to me, but there's no justification I can use to evaluate it.

If anybody has a solid read on her/Kronos/Rhea, I'd love to hear it.  None of them have enough content for me to get a grasp on, though Rhea did something that caught my eye.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Lessa (5) RTE, Razen, Laine, Rhea, Taborline
Razen (1): Lessa

Laine (1): Clov

Not voting (4): Hallia, BFG, Sooh, Kronos

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, July 31st at 9:00 PM MST/midnight EDT:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150731T21&p0=197&msg=Day+Two+Deadline&font=cursive&csz=1

 

MOD NOTE:  I have had two votes so far to extend the deadline from 9PM MST on Friday to 9AM MST on Saturday (noon EDT).  Please let me know if more of you would like the deadline extension.

We have until tomorrow to finish moving everything out of/cleaning our old apartment, so I was scarce after work today, catching up.

 

I do think that the chances of RTE being scum are now very very low.  I am also glad that a Dice is dead and scum, because I have a terrible time reading him.

 

Also, why did you focus on Dice's train instead of RTE's earlier?

 

How am I supposed to find likely/unlikely teammates for somebody whose flip we don't have?

 

Meh, I can sort of agree, but the analysis of Dice's train completely changes if RTE is mafia as well.

We have until tomorrow to finish moving everything out of/cleaning our old apartment, so I was scarce after work today, catching up.

 

I do think that the chances of RTE being scum are now very very low.  I am also glad that a Dice is dead and scum, because I have a terrible time reading him.

Good luck with the move!

Laine, in short I need you to talk to me about your reads on Dice and RTE...

 

*hugs BFG*

 

 

*hugs BFG*

 

Plan foiled :(

 

But also YAY!

This is the post that BFG originally started fosing Dice for, for his narrative

 

 

 

 

Good morning!

 

And welcome, Sooh! I hate balloons too, they're the spawn of the Devil.

 

Why did Jagen leave us? Normally I would wonder if it's not because they had a special role, and therefore Sooh has it too, otherwise why quit so quickly? If you're vanilla town, you could just ride it out, check in from time to time, but if you needed to be active then you might throw in the towel right away knowing it's not fair to whichever team you're on.

 

Really bad post. Was thinking of voting then realised she is new so decided to let it go esp as people all jumped on it

 

 

Good morning!

 

And welcome, Sooh! I hate balloons too, they're the spawn of the Devil.

 

Why did Jagen leave us? Normally I would wonder if it's not because they had a special role, and therefore Sooh has it too, otherwise why quit so quickly? If you're vanilla town, you could just ride it out, check in from time to time, but if you needed to be active then you might throw in the towel right away knowing it's not fair to whichever team you're on.

Sometimes being scum in your first game is intimidating

 

 

Like this. Laine to be clear  are you insinuating Tab is scum or is this a general comment or is this an injoke?  Im reading it as the first

 

/snip

 

I think Tambourline's blunder is a noob one, and one very indicative of her noobness at mafia and nothing else. I will be looking closely at people who take the opportunity to build a train on her based on it.

 

Defense of Tab noted  Fos noted as stinky. 

 

 

 

 

BFG how can it be either absurdly pro town or pro mafia? haha I feel like those are two extremes

Pro town because you try to draw attention away from the potential PR hunt, by focusing on the mafia side of it. Pro mafia because you're extending a conversation that could get 'dangerous'. Doubt you'd do something that risky as mafia though, so leaning town (bolstered from yesterday)

 

I guess that makes sense. But that's also not what bothers me. In a game where we're hunting for scum, why not mention scum and why say "special roles"? It's not necessarily the fishing that's bothering me, but her leaving out what should be the focus of a town member (finding scum).

 

 

Because I'm new to this game here and "Special Roles" is the term we use on my other forum as an all-encompassing term, that was all that was about.

 

 

You know how above I let her have some rope cause shes a noob? I think the noob card just got torn up. @Taborline  have you played mafia on other sites before this?

 

 

 

 

 

Were you asking me to explain, BFG? The only reason I brought it up was that it seemed like a clue, something to take into account as we move forward. And there being more scum than special town roles, that could be even more of a hint.

Lol ok. Why did you draw attention to the other potential PR when Laine said about mafia goons?

 

When I said about not wanting to lynch someone who was potentially the good role? Just as another side of why it would be interesting to know that Sooh had something, it can be beneficial for town as well.

 

BFG is right about this. Unless you thought town!Sooh was going to be mislynched, there's no benefit to town to outing her role (be it vanilla OR cop)

 

 

I wasn't trying to out her as a cop, I was trying to out her as possible scum (but mentioning that we should be careful as she could be a special town).

 

 

Now backtracks

I want to hear answers to my Qs from RTE and Taborline please

 

I don't think I understand WHY he didn't vote her. To some extend the post feels fence sitty to me: He calls out the bad post that I had originally jumped on, asks if I was calling Tab scum, notes RTE defending Tab, gives up on the noob card, and comments on her back tracking. Why note all of this and still not vote her? Especially after noting defense from RTE. If she's town and he thinks she's acting scummy (regardless of noobness), then I'd think he would be voting her here. I would have definitely pushed that lynch through if he joined it, tbh.

 

Dice/Tab posts in between the ones I'm quoting:

 

 

 

 

Reading back when I first posted, and reading in the context of “special role” meaning only PR, Laine’s posts make good sense and I think she tried to pull me out well, to see if I was scum. My addition of “That too” does really look bad, and I don’t blame her for then jumping on me.[/size]

 

 

Sooh I can’t read, as the situation put her in a precarious position no matter what. I think I would have replied with what she did either way. Though her later saying I need to put myself out more is questionable, as I think I’ve sabotaged myself enough!

 

I could possibly see Lessa as getting in there to help the case, but really it’s such a bad mistake that it could go either way. 

 

RTE could be going for town cred - especially as if he IS scum, he knows I’m town and this is a really easy kill for them. 

 

 

They could all be scum and be reading from scripts in this situation.

 

I'm confused by what you mean about a mistake, or what the mistake you're referring to is.  If I'm understanding you correctly, you've not got an opinion either way on Lessa yet?  Looking at the votes up to this point, hers is the one that I think was the most opportunistic. 

 

But I also don't like the way you've tied them all together.  I think you've made good points about all of them, but the last sentence is what throws me.  I just don't like the way that you've categorized all of them as possibly being scum for making points against you.

 

 

I'm referring to my mistake of seeing the sub as important, or at least mentioning its importance.

 

I was leaning on Lessa in that statement, saying my mistake was really bad, but that of those who replied after me, she was the most suss.

 

My last statement was just to say that at this point, they could all be bad and just playing off of a set play as they have a town who has implicated themselves so badly.

 

unvote  forgot to do it earlier

 

Taborline got an answer for me?

 

 

BFG

 

I forgot to put Laine down the bottom. Feel free to sue me. As for Taborline I said what i mean I want to hear from her. 

 

and if you are gonna type out my "narrative hows about you usae the correct words instead of your interpretation?  I dont care if she has votes. If I wanna vote her I will vote her. Thats it. What i want is an ANSWER from her. Is she or is she not a newbie? the answer decides how i read her.

 

you said this is the second time i was concerned....where was the first?

 

and what am i gonna ask RTE?  His FOS stinks and i noted that i think it stinks. Why would i ask anything?

 

im not gonna be here at DL  thats like 1am my time or something. Will be here a couple more hours but right now Im thinking no lynch actually. I have a couple people I think are good bets for town but thats it.  Im not getting why Lessa has ANY votes   think i missed something

(I highlighted the GREEN) The first part on Taborline feels like distancing, especially after that post that I had from above. He's basically gauging his vote on a response from Tab based on how new she is to the game. Feels like he wants to FOS her and keep her in suspicion without adding to her train.

 

The Lessa part is very sus, and after her last minute vote, it definitely adds to Lessa's case. (Though, being that Lessa was also on the Tab train with me, I think that her death would help solve Tab for me... I don't see both Lessa and Dice as mafia voting for a teammate together)

 

dammit i just lost everything!

 

BFG  I vote where and when i want. that vote is often controlled by my gut jumping at something that stands out to it. Here whats stood out more then anything is some people i think are town at this point.

 

i get lynched for being quiet on a regular basis. thing is im quiet TOWN as often as i am quiet MAFIA. It most often comes because nothing stood out for me to grab hold of.  Taborline stood out a little  but it didnt ping me like Laine did last game for eg. Then theres the fact that shes a noob apparently. Im not a complete bastard  i do try to give newbies a go.

 

first time you were concerned was when you didn't vote Cairos because Clov already was, important No. Indicative of a way of thinking, maybe.

 

vote clov  Bunyan told me to vote Cairos first and you messed it up!

hi folks!

 

this what ure talking about? its called a joke vote. You will notice I mentioned my Band warhorse? Well i was gonna vote Cairos cause Bunyan told me too initially.

 

ou're also being closed now; you have town reads/leans, but reading through your ISO I have no idea who; if I had to guess I'd say Laine and Cairos.

 

Has anybody asked?  and my leans are Laine and you actually.

 

He's giving her a noob pass now. She hadn't responded any further at this point, and ends up going to no lynch afterwards. Why not push a lynch through on a townie (OR EVEN VOTE RTE?! when you have the chance as scum?). The actions aren't really adding up to me. I want to solve Tab/RTE/Lessa. I think Lessa would shed light on both parties, actually.

 

The second part feels like easy consensus town reads to me, helps me feel even better on BFG.

 

This started out as a case on Tab and looking at Dice's reads, but I'm going to have to [v]Lessa[/v]

 

Whatever is in that post of Dice's it does NOT like being quoted!

 

Sorry, this quote is a mess, bit first 2 large sizes... so you agree that Dice was gearing up to a vote on Tabor?

 

Last big size, seems unnecessary :(

I also found where you mentioned RTE previously but it didn't seem to factor into your read on Tabor???

 

I'm also intrigued as to why you seem to have RTE/Tabor/Lessa as your bottom 3? There isn't a group in there that makes sense?

Too everyone...

 

Most people have Lessa as top pick atm. I'm not convinced, but have nothing to argue it with (except that the thread's doing nothing else, except me, Tabor and Clov). Regardless, whose your second pick? Day still has at least 22 hours left, having votes sitting on one person and no conversation doesn't help.

 

 

 

Most people have Lessa as mafia for evening out the vote trains... why would she unvote, leaving trains at 4-4 instead of pushing momentum RTE's way by voting at the same time? Whose her partner?

Catching up, through page 20

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thought it was kinda null really. Clovs vote didnt have anything that was making it obvious that it was a joke so asking is fair enuff imo. especially coming from someone that is basically a noob

Meh. I'll play nice for now then.

 

This immediate backing down I don't like to see from Laine.  Even for a newer player, or someone she doesn't really know, I have not seen a Laine go easy on someone.

 

And you've played with me Laine. We were in Star Wars for all of 24 hours together or something. I tried to lynch you over the godfather and got wrecked at night :p

Oh dang you're right. Yeah you died real quick. Not enough of a sample to know you in a game though

 

Oh I checked in and reacted alright!

 

Although, saying it was a "reaction test" is a little much

Test sounds so official! More of a nudge, and I liked your response, so I moved on

 

Fair enough, I will accept this.

Alright - I'm here - sorry - this week is kinda rough for me with the job change - I'll do my best to keep up.

 

I get the feeling of town going after town on most of the active people right now - just a hunch mostly.

 Just have fun Souvra.

 

 

 

 

 

*snip*

 

That being said, based on numbers if I had to guess I would say at most only one of the active posters is scum. Hope this game sorta wakes up soon (although nice not to have missed much).

Ewwwwwwwwwwww.  I don't like this.

 

 

 

Through 22

 

 

 

 

 

*snip*

aaand then the game got serious...

 

Joke votes are joke votes. I never know how to gauge those reactions anyway, unless they are blatantly freaked out. I find it more interesting how much people are willing to read into those reactions. Reaching for straws isn't all that great, but in the beginning that's all we have. 

 

RTE comes in, seemingly like me, and comments little on the current game and more on the chitchat that has been going on. I guess it's just early thread stuff. He may not have found much to comment on. Better posts later though. Good content wise in terms of getting good reads. 

 

Laine and BFG reads as town vs. town to me. 

 

Taborline hasn't had much game related to bring up yet, but I hope that'll change. At least if she's town. If not, carry on

 

Clov seems to be reaching for nitpicky things to bring up. Not entirely sure what that means in terms of his alignment, but I'm probably going to need a little while to read him properly.

 

Not commenting on Dice yet, because I don't know what to think. I see RTE is finding his interactions to be possibly scummy, but I'm not really there. 

 

The rest I have no opinion on yet.

I rather like your reads, and can kinda see where they're coming from.

 

 

@ Kronos - I picked Taborline because I wanted to see a reaction.  I hadn't seen anything off putting from the way she handled it.  When I woke up this morning though and took an initial read through what's happened since I fell asleep (and thankfully I'm not sick anymore!), I think it's interesting to consider that she's the first to question the reasons that Sooh might have taken over for Jagen.  There could be a number of reasons for the switch, not all of which are related to the game.  Also don't like that she kind of went rolefishing there too in putting out that thought - the part in green.

 

I'm also not liking the part Laine tacked on.  Seems like an easy way to throw suspicion on Sooh for something she had no control over.  Even if it's just a theory adding to what Taborline had said earlier.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good morning!

 

And welcome, Sooh! I hate balloons too, they're the spawn of the Devil.

 

Why did Jagen leave us? Normally I would wonder if it's not because they had a special role, and therefore Sooh has it too, otherwise why quit so quickly? If you're vanilla town, you could just ride it out, check in from time to time, but if you needed to be active then you might throw in the towel right away knowing it's not fair to whichever team you're on.

Sometimes being scum in your first game is intimidating

 

 

Agree on the role-fishing.

 

The reason I mentioned subbing out scum is because Taborline DIDN'T mention it. Why go straight to PR and not to scum? Why would having a PR be any more/less intimidating than rolling scum?

 

[unvote][v]Taborline[/v]

 

I did not catch this, but I'm glad you did, and I like et.

I'm totes gonna make everything a huge deal. I'm going to overreact to everything, BFG is going to nitpick, Sooh is going to be helpful, and Clov is gonna be Clov. At some point in the game Razen and/or Dice will try to lynch me after Clov creates a case on me out of nothing and I judge him harshly.

Oh wait, Hallia's in this game? If Hallia gets too friendly, she's probably scum.

Right now her joke:serious ratio is good.

I can't help that I love jokes XD

I like this except the part about Clov being Clov, didn't you say that you didn't really know how he played?

 

 

I think Tambourline's blunder is a noob one, and one very indicative of her noobness at mafia and nothing else. I will be looking closely at people who take the opportunity to build a train on her based on it.

I'm not so sure.  I'll be looking at YOU closely.

 

 

 

H'ok.

 

 

 

 

I think Tambourline's blunder is a noob one, and one very indicative of her noobness at mafia and nothing else. I will be looking closely at people who take the opportunity to build a train on her based on it. 

 

While I agree with the thought of Taborline's reaction as a noob blunder. I can't help but feel that RTE is doing a bit of defending (or maybe deflecting) here (bold and underlined). Taking note of that. Just notes, hunches, and gut feelings are all Iv'e got right now!

 

I love your hunches, mentor of mine!  

Few people conspicuously absent; Hallia amongst them

Odd that you picked me out, especially when I, I think on this very page right above, said that work was nuts and that I would be catching up at home.  

I've seen a lot of things I agree with being said so far.

 

My thoughts on people:

 

Taborline: New player making new player mistakes - nothing to be ashamed of, but I'm not buying she's scum yet.

Clov: Actually trying to find scum IMO - town lean

Laine: Similar to Clov - probably the most active and trying to do the most work. Town Lean

RTE: I'm with Clov here - his defense of Tabor makes sense, but his remark seems opportunistic yet he's unwilling to make a vote - leaning scum here

Hallia: Laine's got her meta down (<3 souvra)

Jagen/Sooh: as one who has left games for many reasons - this is by no means indicative of alignment - Jagen's reasons are her own - null because not enough to go on

 

Everyone else I'm pretty null on.

 

I feel good putting a vote on [v]RTE][/v] right now

You don't play that often, and I've seen you sub because it gets too nuts, but I am liking your play this game, your reads don't feel bad to me, and I am willing to join you on RTE.  Could be scum defending a teammate, could be scum white-knighting a new townie, either way...

 

Vote: RTE

 

 

 

Pardon, Razen? Joining someone on a lynch is not sheeping. I agree with points that him and others made, and posted content of my own expressing my dislike for things RTE had said.

 

Ok, but why when you voted did you refer to the stuff that other people said that you seemed to take as a joke?

 

 

Pardon, Razen? Joining someone on a lynch is not sheeping. I agree with points that him and others made, and posted content of my own expressing my dislike for things RTE had said.

 

Bit generous. You haven't posted much content. Can you elaborate on your reads, especially in light of posts you've made since your last?

 

 

 

In light of what posts I've made since my last?

 

I like WBK's reads so far, as well as Soohs.  They're coming off as townish to me, along with Laine, BFG, and Clov.

 

You're my scum for the moment.

 

 

Eh, Dice is defensive both ways

 

This is pretty much Hallia's only post at EOD

 

 

Eh, Dice is defensive both ways

Do you still find RTE more suspicious than Dice?

 

Hallia doesn't seem to answer this

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Lessa (5) RTE, Razen, Laine, Rhea, Taborline

Razen (1): Lessa

Laine (1): Clov

 

Not voting (4): Hallia, BFG, Sooh, Kronos

 

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, July 31st at 9:00 PM MST/midnight EDT:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150731T21&p0=197&msg=Day+Two+Deadline&font=cursive&csz=1

 

MOD NOTE:  I have had two votes so far to extend the deadline from 9PM MST on Friday to 9AM MST on Saturday (noon EDT).  Please let me know if more of you would like the deadline extension.

I have ~1/4 of the posts, can I have a 1/4 of the votes??? Capitalism in action

 

*snip*

 

 

I don't know what you mean irt missing Sooh out.

In your Dice train analysis you didn't discuss Sooh's vote?

 

 

I wasn't trying to actually analyze all the votes, I was just trying to give the first thoughts I had.  I really don't have much of a read on Sooh at this point.  Off the top of my head, early position on a D1 mafia lynch is a plus, but I really don't remember any content from her this game.  The vote doesn't seem incredibly clearing for me because Mafia!Sooh might have thought it was a distancing point since Dice really wasn't at risk of being lynched at that time.  

 

Hoping she's around tonight so I can get some interactions with her.

 

*snip*

 

 

Okay, I went back and checked out Sooh's progression IRT Dice near deadline.  Vote count is at 4-1.

 

 

 

 

I'll be here until EOD now. Still unsure on which way I'm going to vote as I don't feel anyone sticks out as particularly scummy yet. Dice and RTE are both in my POE. I can't say I have any particular lean on players like Lessa and Rhea yet. I want to give Taborline another day. 

 

Are anyone free to talk to me? I feel like I need to discuss this with someone.

 

 

A lot of people finding Dice odd, but unwilling to vote

 

Just saying 

*snip*

I'm not unwilling to vote. Right now I'm just trying to see what happens. 

 

I'm not sure RTE is mafia, but I think the giving up post was bad. Like I said, RTE is also in my POE. 

 

 

It's D1, and I'm hardly sure about anyone. I feel like BFG and Laine are town, and that's good for me. At least I can look at their reads and feel like they are honest. 

 

Clov, I'm sorry, but I need some more time and experience in reading you. 

 

 

Ok, let's see what happens..

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

 

This makes it 4-2, and it's 4-4 by the next post.

 

 

Eh, Dice is defensive both ways

Do you still find RTE more suspicious than Dice?

 

 

We need people to vote though. I'm with BFG and don't want to move mine. 

 

 

^ Still 4-4 at this point

 

 

 

I still can't put Sooh on the same level as BFG based on how much work BFG did towards the lynch, and Sooh's vote didn't have the same impact on the lynch that Razen's did.  Her actual vote was pretty weak to me.  "Let's see what happens" doesn't really give me the impression she was super comfortable with the lynch.  She DID say that nobody stuck out as particularly scummy, but I'm just not in love with it.

 

That being said, the whole progression looks decent.  The post towards Hallia suggests that she really did want people to take a stance on it, and the fact she didn't want to be the one to break the tie is definitely a huge plus for her.  

 

@Sooh - is there any reason you DIDN'T vote RTE when he was a viable candidate and apparently in your POE?  What did your POE look like beyond Dice/RTE?

The reason I didn't vote RTE is that I thought his posts towards EOD were good, and I didn't feel at all sure that he would be scum. I voted Dice to see who would vote with me. At that point I was also liking a lot of what BFG had been saying about Dice throughout D1, and voting him felt more right. It was by no means a confident vote though.

 

I was there, F5-ing the thread every two minutes or so up until EOD, so even if my vote on Dice landed when he was in no danger to be lynched I was there to see a train on him form, and there were a few minutes up until the last second when Lessa voted that he was in the lead. I had plenty of opportunity to change my vote to RTE, creating some bogus reason for doing so since I had been suspecting him up until that point. 

 

I'm liking Clov's posts more today than I did yesterday. I still feel like I haven't been able to clear Taborline completely, but as of right now I'm mainly interested in Hallia and Lessa. Hallia just needs to talk more and get her thoughts in the thread, because I feel like I have no idea what she's thinking. 

I am here, and soooo glad it's the weekend. This stupid week is over, this stupid day is over. I'm ready to eat my ice cream snack, catch up on this game, and get my hair cut (FINALLY) in a few hours.

Missed you Laine <3

Kronos you ok?

I got distracted just now I'm about to actually get into the thread. It's been a rough week obviously LOL How ya doing BFG?

meh, ~6 hours to go till the weekend...

 

feeling lonely ITT

I'm sorry... I'll try to bother you more. I have about an hour and a half before I have to leave. Gonna need some coffee... prolly gonna be up all day. *sigh*

Laine, in short I need you to talk to me about your reads on Dice and RTE...

If you could look into this? I saw some stuff, but you know I like people repeating themselves

 

And also your current bottom 2/3 and why?

 

Laine, in short I need you to talk to me about your reads on Dice and RTE...

If you could look into this? I saw some stuff, but you know I like people repeating themselves

 

And also your current bottom 2/3 and why?

Currently changing my reads while reading over this stuff. My bottom three weren't necessarily "these are who are scum with Dice" but "these are the options who COULD be scum with Dice, but probably not all three because they'll solve each other." I'm feeling better about RTE as of right now reading back over end of day, purely because of the swing of votes (Sooh/RTE), who moved their votes so close together, if I'm calling her vote a townie move, why am I not calling HIS vote the same? As for Taborline, still suspicious of her so far, and Lessa is just scummy. I don't think they're scum together though, so I think one would tell a lot about the other. Need to ISO later. Okay, back to my reading (I may be repeating myself more in my catch up, if you don't mind)

 

As for my read on Dice, I don't know why the hell I was town reading him. Lapse of sanity? Looking back though, I can see where your pushes were coming from

 

I'm very scatter brained today, I hope you can follow what I'm saying okay.

Top suspects:

Razen- for saying my vote on Taborline was oppertunistic when he kept his vote there, after reaction voting her, for the same post

Rhea and Kronos - haven't been able to gauge much from either but their votes seem to follow the flow of events

 

Top townie reads: AJ and BFG

 

Unsure as to everyone else

 

Can you elaborate as to why you have Laine as one of your top reads?  Laine's sitting in my pile of mixed reads, because I've seen posts of hers I like and things that I don't.  I agree with you on BFG, and Kronos has been quiet since voting on day 1.  Would like to hear more from him before I can really read him one way or the other.