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And @Cass What about since?????

@Cass - I actually am having some trouble reading this too, and like Verb, I don't mean to be a jerk. I'm legit trying to understand this. I think I'm reading that you sussed Turin first over the interactions with darthe and thinking they are W/W. Then you weren't sure how to feel about Turin's reaction/opinion to the IC reveal but you think some of the posts he went back and posted were from before Z's reveal? I don't understand the bolded part. I do understand the part about me and the thinking he's shady based on his misrep of me. Is that accurate?? @Verbal32 - I didn't quote yours, but okay, you're here today and Z hasn't been posting which has allowed you to stay current you said. Did you take the time to look at all at the people that you are suspicious of outside of the literal ONE post of each that you say you are sussing them over???

Hally is voting, she's voting DPR.

To be 100% completely fair, I don't know that this particular thing is AI for Cass? Maybe a smidge because she knows the deadline is close? That being said, she is one of my scum leans and I did say I would be willing to vote for her. I can take a second look at DPR tomorrow to see if I am tunneling. Unvote, Vote Cass

Oops, Ithi beat me to a new one while I was getting that quote. Sorry Ithi/thread!

@Cass

In each scenario, who are Turin's teammates iyo? I get that you sort of answered below, but I want a more specific answer on each side of the line, please. There's a lot of talk about Turin in this thread. Pulling out one sentence from all that he's said and all that has been said about him feels like a very easy way for wolf to jump on the top vote getter without tying themselves to a teammate. This is all just true statements. Not NAI imo. I think I answered this above? LMK if not.

Can you see how this is concerning to me? You're voting for your top sketch read but you don't say that when you put the vote on???? WTF is even this discussion?

That ^ was to @Hallia.

Was he? Where did you say that? Because he wasn't even mentioned in this post where you are discussing possible wolves. And when I am looking through your posts courtesy of your profile, I don't see anything that mentions your feeling on him outside of your vote. You do question him at one point saying that you don't like it when people don't provide explanations, but as far as I can see that is the only hint at all and doesn't say much on its own. And when you voted you didn't say you had been feeling he was sketchy to you for a long time, you said you voted him for his "horrible reason to vote" Turin. * brackets are my inclusion to make it clearer.

Literally in a post like three up from your comment on this very page??? Yes, because yours looks like teammate distancing, imo and I have thought DPR sketchy for a long time.

Vote DPR. I would also be willing to vote Cass, but I think DPR's flip would give us more information.

Current reads. Much of this I have already said in my catch up posts. @Turin Turambar - As I explained in my last post, this is based off emotional investment more than gameplay. Hate it if you want, but that's where I'm at. If he flips scum somehow then I REALLLLLY don't know what I'm doing and I will understand all the heat I will likely receive. @DPR - Wolf, imo. I feel like he's misreping/twisting a lot of things, specifically when posts are directed toward him (thinking of my posts and Seph's here). I also don't understand his continued focus on putting me and Hallia together. His post above is at least the 4th time this game he's put us together. Like this sticks in my brain bad because Hallia and I have played very different games so far and it reeks of tying a townie to a wolf that's taken some heat. I haven't hated all his posts, but I have paid attention to people saying he can replicate his town game as scum. @Darthe - townread admittedly a lot of it based on old meta, but I don't feel like I'm playing any differently so why should I expect that he is? I don't see wolfdarthe playing as sloppy or giving Turin an easy out. I also like a lot of the questions he's posed to other people, and feel that's protown. This is also colored by my feel that Turin is town so lolme. @Cass - scum lean. Low contributor in terms of volume and then low content when she's here. I don't understand the random dicetown read and I don't remember her actually answering this? I also hate her vote as a pop in and implication that the vote had to be between Turin and Darthe. Further in the posts she has been here, she's left defense for DPR, although this point specifically hinges on DPR being scum. @Hallia - scum lean. Low contributor, no explanations, wolfy pop-ins and horrid vote. @Gudrean - mild town read. This is mostly off do I see new scum posting like this. Is it the best reason? No, but that's what I got. @Verbal32 - scum lean, just like cass low contributor in terms of volume and low content when he's here. Many of his posts don't have anything to do with moving the game along, imo, and they look like an attempt to look like he's here doing things but actually isn't doing anything. @seph - town read. I haven't liked everything he's said, but many of our reads are the same and he seems to be coming at the game the same way I am, which makes me feel good about him. He's also followed up on what he's said he would (so far) and that is, in general meta not person specific, to me a townie thing to do. @dicetosser1 - null atm because I liked/agreed with somethings that he said, but I didn't like others. I felt like his null list and reasons were meh and even though she has a scum lean for me, he left himself an easy out with his Hally read. I do like his town list though and reasons, hence null.

Wolfy pop in, imo. It does have a minor reason I guess, but I hate this vote. Reactionary off of one post without being caught up when there is still time to read up and decide. To me, it reeks of teammate distancing, but that it admittedly colored by my view of DPR. I do think this is a good follow up. Bold - I don't see it as a have to, but I do see how it would be beneficial for town who knows the theme. Another "hey y'all I'm here but not really going to say anything" post from Verb. This mostly feels like a repeat of what was said before. Not sure how I feel about the bold. I don't hate that he's not just jumping on a train, but at the same time, if Seph is in your top 2, why not put him up there? Why are you just going with the flow as is? I've seen trains form and run and hammer with like 2 hours to deadline so if you have someone you think is wolf, especially if you don't think those getting the votes are, why not start a new train? Putting dice's big post in a spoiler, since this post of mine will already be long enough. I agree with the town list and the frustration/vote with Turin is understandable and very dice, imo. But I don't like the null list because I feel like Verb has been sus even in his lack of activity. I also feel like DPR has been sketch, but I need to go back and look because atp I am worried I am tunneling on him because of our initial interaction. And it's an easy out to say "Hally better as a D2 read". So still null on dice :p. But like, no other comments about the game while she's here? I feel like it's sketchy to say "oh, not caught up but I saw this one post/vote and so I'm going to vote that person." Like even if you're busy, if you're going to stop by maybe at least go to profiles and read some of the posts/interactions that person has had before voting them? But what do I know lol. What about it did you love?? Despite some difference of opinion on Turin and Gud, I don't hate these two lists. I''m going to spoiler these posts too, because they've been triggering for some. I'm sorry Z, but being an empath, I just do not see a wolf making Turin's post. It reads to me like exceedingly frustrated town. Like, I've been there as town and that would be, imo, hella investment on a wolf. Do I agree with the moves he's made? For the most part no, but being someone who relies IRL on their ability to read others' emotions, it's hard for me to move past this. First bold is a misrep of Seph imo. He stated he had quotes for you and planned to get to you later. And he was, at least, peppering Gud with all kinds of questions. Underline, but why not argue things??? Isn't that part of the point? Second bold - are you okay? 😞 I agree with both of these. I also don't see wolfdarthe allowing this out for Turin, when it would be a pretty easy lynch right now. And yes, that is going off of 15yearold meta so definitely lolme if I am wrong. Unless they are on the same team, but I feel like that's unlikely because I have that town read on Turin. I hate this post. If you haven't read his post why are you responding?? I agree they are wolfy, but I hate this statement. Yep, I'm wondering too. I also like this list? Maybe I am just hopelessly bad at reading people this game lololol. I disagree with the Gud, dice, Hally and darthe reads, but I feel like I can understand his reasons. I will admit this is colored on the view that I think he is town. First bold - no. This is how I catch up and show my thought process for why I feel the way I feel about people. It's how I always have done. If you're too lazy to read them then :P. You could always put them in a spoiler when you're responding???? Underline - Bully for you? lol. I feel like I have commented at least a few times on why I feel your posts are coming at the game from a town angle. Do I need to do a deeper dive read through? Probably. Do I think you are the lynch of the day and I need to do that right now? No, that's for future days. As far as your town read being based on my early posts -- have you read any of thoughts I have put forward in my long messages? Surely there is more information in there that can help you with your read? I don't hate it. All good points.

Okay, I tried guys, I tried but it's just about 1am here and I have to be up in 5 hours and I'm falling asleep in between gathering quotes. I will be back in like 7 hours to actually finish and post reads and vote and all that. I should be around all day with maybe minor interruptions, but nothing major on my schedule.