Turin Turambar

This was my impression of the drama... Love you all, glad you're all okay.

Yeah, but I had Zander as mafia all along. I actually reread EoD1 and how you didn't shoot either him or RTE is kinda beyond me after that read through.

You know nothing, Well, at least about me.

I do what I want, lolololololol!!!

I thought bela was the new dark one, lol

What can I say? I successfully buddied up and now I'm LOCK CLEAR!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WELCOME BACK, ZANDER BRO!

You still know nothing Jon Zander. Lloloolololololol

NON GAME NOTE: Ithi is going to be unavailable for the next several hours, so there will not be updated VOTE Counts etc. Please behave.

This game can be frustrating when it feels like you aren't being listened to. For what it's worth, I think your town and one of the reasons is I feel you have been trying to solve. My impression is that your delivery of your why is sometimes hard to follow. Other times it is perfectly understandable. At those times I am pretty certain that your town and trying. This game can be hard. Sometimes we struggle to sort out who's who. Sometimes, like last game it seems to fall right into place perfectly. What I'm trying to say is don't beat yourself up too.much about letting it get to you. If you feel your going to a bad place, just step away for a minute, a few hours, even a day, venter yourself and then reengage. Heck, even Maverick had to recenter before he could deal with those enemy fighters. If you need a "talk to me Goose" moment, take it.

I was there first for competing trains. I did think both are mafia (RTE still) so I was good with either of them. Now, it seems he is the new watcher so therefore town.

Why? He claimed in a manner that seems consistent with the role as I understand it. This is a DL game with 2+ days to go at that time. Many people had not been in to reply to his claim. If someone CC's him then we have something to work with. I'm a little shocked by what happened with the claim as I feel if Zander is town it was an opportunity lost to slow play the claim and see who would try to slide on for "reasons". We had loads of time. I guess Z just got really frustrated. Certainly no hard feelings on my part. I hope he makes his way back cause the game is funner with his crazy spammy self.

I started my read on page 45. That was about 17 hours from DL. The first thing I noted re Cass was your post on page 52 that I quoted. If there was something earlier then my bad. Your off the table until someone cc's so I'm gonna move on to my next suspect.

UNVOTE VOTE RTE why so soon? It seems odd but I gotta respect that unless someone CC's.

This is on page 52.

This is you quoting her vote on Lenlo.

Willing to vote any of my mafia reads. Looking at the current VC, I choose... VOTE ZANDER I don't see how any townie is currently on Heavy, but maybe there aren't.

I just read thru end of day 1. My computer kinda died in the middle of pulling things up so I had to go back and write notes to myself because I can't mq from more than one.page and it was from p45-61 (even my notes are 9 pages so that isn't going to be typed out) My current stance in the game: TURIN:(TOWN) my role pm says so VERBAL:(TOWN) I believe he is the vig. I think I understand why he shot Shad (I think he should have shot either RTE,Z, or Lenlo ). HEAVY:(TOWN) His stances and takes at EoD regarding Z and Cass I felt were from town every time. GUDREAN:(TOWN LEAN) She is still solid but I'm just starting to worry. Call it tinfoil. CAIROS:(NULL) I still want more from him, but I think he is trying. Keep giving your thoughts. DICE:(MAFIA LEAN) There were a few things that bugged me, but there are bigger problems IMO. LENLO:(MAFIA) The beginning thing about saying Z and me were T/T still bugs me. Some of the EoD comments also. ZANDER:(MAFIA) He was the original suss at Cass. He contemplated starting a Cass train after she votes Lenlo making him a viable train(her vote made it 2-3-3 w/ Verb and RTE). He said he wouldn't leave RTE unless needed for majority (he asked about it, I answered, he acknowledged, he still switched). He says he's all for getting RTE &Dice lynched but voting Heavy??? RTE:(MAFIA) So much. The fishing, the policy lynch on Cairos, the trolling at Verb's claim, acting like he knew Verb was lying when there was only one way he could (if he was the vig). He backed away from a CC when Verb challenged him about it because he realised that itwas a death sentence for him. I'm really a bit shocked and disappointed Verb didn't shoot him instead of Shad. Well now that I've reread all of end of day.

Verb ninja strikes

Blue: Why are you wasting energy badmouthing Verb? He's obviously town. Just because he's voting you? Also, are you trying to say Shad had you as his top Town read or that he had you as likely town? If you could provide evidence of this it would be appreciated. Orange: I don't understand any of this. It looks like flailing. Dice in the last game did well. I'm not sure what that has to do with this game. You were tinfoiling Shad. Look into those on Cass and check their reasoning but to just wave about is wrong. Wagonomics takes #WERK. I'm gonna go back and look at EoD using my laptop if I can remove my dog from my lap. Hopefully I can find something helpful.

I'm basically caught up. I think. There were some more things I wanted to address from today's chats but my dog is expecting lunch now so that will be a minute.

I find them similar. I also think he is putting in effort to solve. I mentioned last game I had difficulty with his posts due to something. I don't know if English is his first language because I think he said he was from Netherlands? And I think he lives in UK now, but I'm not sure. It also feels like sometimes he is letting the game get to him.

So which of the things listed would you say are sketch? Null? Townie?

I can follow along with what he is saying when he is zen!Heavy. With the exception of the possible "slip" I think his reactions to the pressure put on him is more likely from a new town player than first time mafia.

Just catching up a bit. Gonna find a couple quick things to ask before I go back to finish my reread. I only got to p30.

All the gunners had been drinking heavily