Turin Turambar

OK. One more time and I'll use small words. Cairos is going down. Not enough people or time to switch the lynch. You give Cairos the chance to vote either Mills or Heavy. My theory is Heavy is his (and your) teammate. Cairos knows he is hung so uses his last action to vote Heavy. Cairos flips mafia. Mills gets killed in the night. Heavy was still your prime target at start of D2. Then you switched to me. You made that post about suspecting Mills after he was dead and it didn't look.like.you had typed previously because you were getting told off for post while Ithi was doing the scene. Heavy comes out speculating about why Mills was the NK. At some point I speculated that it was to clear Heavy just as your doing now. He claimed to not understand. I laid it out for him again. Killing Mills makes it look like Cairos (who knows everyone's alignment) chose to vote Heavy (an unknown) over Mills (a townie). Therefore, Heavy MUSTBETOWN, because mafia would never... I told him when he doubted that a clever wolf would be able to make that argument. It looks like you are that clever wolf. But you should have waited for tomorrow when I will be dead.

Hogwash. Look at the timestamps you claimed to care so much about. I was literally typing while those posts were made. I believe I even said as.much when I posted my review which you poo pooed for their lack. I also already explained how Cairos voting Heavy could well be the reason Mills got killed N1. For the very resson your claiming right now. BTW Heavy, Zander was the wolf that I thought would try to make that argument, and here he is doing it. Now you got.me.breaking my word I do think this was important enough to address however.

No. I've made myself clear. Either I'm right and your mafia, in which case you aren't going to change your mind because you need me lynched now. Killing me tonight instead makes you look awful. OR I'm wrong your not mafia. Then I need to look long and hard at everyone else. However, you have said that you NEED my slot resolved. Which means I won't be changing your mind. I've decided that my verbal jousting with you is harmful to getting people to come in and talk so I'm gonna be quiet. I really hope everyone does come in and give their thoughts, theories, questions and suggestions. I'll check in every so often to answer questions and to place my vote should it be required to secure a lynch.

I've been giving my reasons and theories and actually independently showing some things that I feel support my claims. IIRC, most of your posts are responses. Not gonna go back and forth right now. it only clogs the thread.

How did Cairos spew Heavy town? I don't remember that one. Yes. I asked, you said something. I'm asking again based on current information.

Could it have been all along... Imagine how wolf chat would have been. Cairos did sus me due to my throwing out names. Maybe it was just cause he was on the list.

Well, you are living in a village where am town, so adjust as possible. I understand the confusion. I think that it's 10x less likely you are mafia if Z is town. I just don't see you setting yourself up for that as a Wolf in your first game. Also, you presently have NO VOTES on you. More zen, Heavy.

In b4 Z says that my fluffy dog is the name of the wolf chat, lol.

Zander:(mafia). I think it is most likely Z and Heavy or possibly Dice (might be tinfoil). The biggest thing for me is the Heavy interactions where he keeps at him but never quite tries to lynch him. Note the difference in how he has approached going after me. Heavy:(likely mafia). He has been in the fray.w/ Z most of the game switching to me at crucial times. This might be due to the fact I have actively sought his lynch (a understandable reaction). I do think it is unlikely he is mafia if Z is town. Andy:( not sure). I can accept the "wolves on Turin " explanation. I don't remember enough of her posts. I think I need to look at her again. Donchadh:( null ). Just not enough activity. I know it is his first game and RL is a real thing, but I would have considered policy lynch if game bigger. His vote on D1 seemed reasonable tho. Dice:(slight town lean) This changes on a Z town flip. If Z flips mafia, and Heavy town, then I could see Dice as Z's partner. Mostly because he seems willing to give Z free reign with his TTT act. Sooh:( town lean). I need more Sooh analysis. She seems like she is just really busy and cant dig in enough. The insights I've seen feel true though. Gudrean:(likely town). She has been pretty active and asking questions. Her thought processes have seemed reasonable given her inexperience. My only real concern is if it is a smokescreen. I don't think it is however. Back in a few, my fluffy dog is demanding my attention.

UNVOTE VOTE ZANDER I stepped away a bit last night cause I was working but also to reassess my process. I still the most straightforward solution is Z and Heavy are teammates, but I do need to look at other possible solutions. I think that Z changing his talking point to "I need to resolve that slot" screams of setting up to claim he was just wrong. If you manage to.lynch.me.today, when I flip town, where does that lead you? DL is today. I would.like everyone to post a listing of your reads.it doesn't have to be super long with quotes. Just your opinions and a bit about why/how you came to them. I'm gonna do mine so you can see. Yours doesn't have to look like mine, but I really want.to hear from everyone if possible.

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Andy, language. Ask Ithi if you can edit the dropping out of that post. Thank you for your thoughts.

I don't think I ever implied anyone was dim. Except maybe Zander, lol. If it came across that way, I apologise. I have to go to work now, so people have some space from my volume. Good night for now.

Mafia can be frustrating. To answer your question though, there was no way I was going to get lynched on day 1. At the end there was very little chance that anyone other than Cairos would. There just wasn't enough time or people to manifest a complete train inthat time. Since I wasn't a choice. Even Zander had me as lock D1 villa at that time. Cairos couldn't vote me. Well he could have but it wouldn't have had the same effect. If you think people aren't trying to solve, then interact with them. Ask questions. Ask in a even manner without any insinuation of their alignment. Here's an example: Right after the flip on Cairos, Andy said something along the lines of "there were 2 wolves on Turin (train)". The only two people on my train at EoD were you and Andy herself. Does that change your thoughts on Andy? I asked you something similar before, but what is your overall read on Andy?

ZANDER, take yourself out of the mix here. Say it is your dream and mafia is Cairos, Heavy, and me. follow the actions of D1. You think Cairos nudges my.lynch like that if I'm mafia with him? I would think he would have either jumped on if the plan was to bus, or tried to steer things another way. Mafia will frequently try to distract from a building lynch by breaking momentum and or shining a light somewhere else.

OK. Here we go. This is with you and Heavy as the other two mafiosos. At EoD, the known mafioso, Cairos, chose to vote Heavy an unknown over Mills, a known townie. Some people could be convinced that Cairos, who knows both of their alignments wouldn't risk making his teammate a viable lynch, so would vote Mills. That he voted Heavy means Heavy must be town. I think a clever wolf could spin that. Especially, if there was no other really vocal people to push against it. #tinfoilisafinematerial #endgamewifom

That's why my post was the way it was. You can't multi quote into spoilers. And as far I know you can't get to the actual code like the.old days.

Hey Heavy. First lol about saying the pings. Missed opportunity for a one ping only gif. Losing my touch. I did make a theory about Mills death. ZANDER killed him to give you some town cred. Cairos voted you at end of day as opposed to Mills who is now a known townie(although dead). Assuming Cairos would never vote a teammate in that situation so hence baguette, Heavy is town.

When you saw it you said it.means nothing to you in seemed a dismissive way. Perhaps I read that wrong. You keep bringing up broken quotes like it is cheating or something. It felt like you were refusing to acknowledge any validity to the work itself. I don't care if you think it's towny or not. Work is not only a town endeavour. I'll drop it as a misunderstanding then.

So something you did onetime at band camp asmafiais always mafia but something you always do as mafia is not being mafia. Got it.

Why are you upset about that? If you think it was fake, then say that and prove it. Other than that, what's your problem there? Aside from it making you look bad.

Mills wasn't the cop. On his kill scene it shows VANILLA TOWN. You can say results at any time but.in this game it means you will most likely be killed the next night. Although clever mafia might just kill the player you viewed, depending upon the game situation.

I don't have a kill. If I was mafia, you would be dead already. I kill the most dangerous to me. In a scenario where your town and I'm not, my team lost a goon already, a good player is more dangerous than a cop. Game is only lasting 4 days. It takes 2 to view the GF, so there is only day 3 or day 4 that the GF can be viewed mafia. If they pick the same townie N1&2, then they never get the GF view.

I agree with the last part. The only thing is it might be a waste since I think your dead if your town and if your not I'm probably dead.

Lynch: Heavy Not Lynch: Gudrean