Elder_Haman

1 minute ago, Yojimbo said:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.   

If you don't want to watch, don't watch. 

Same energy.

1 minute ago, Bruan said:

I worded it that way to highlight how drastically different it is being portrayed in the show compared to the books. It’s a huge change, and added for no real reason other than to ‘fix’ the story by rewriting it.

There's absolutely a reason. It may not be a reason you like, but there's a reason. They want the show to feel 'mature' and one of the ways they do that is by adding sexual tension and situations. Frankly, I'm thrilled by the decisions they've made in this regard because my biggest fear was that the show would take it to GoT levels. 

But it has nothing to do with some nefarious desire to undermine the story and everything to do with putting together a show that will appeal to a broad range of people. It seems to have succeeded in hitting that target.

Just now, Deviations said:

100% Disagree.  I love the way Jordan wrote them.  There isn't a need to change them (it's not an example of a timeline that needed to be compressed), so why do it?

 

To do something new with the story. The books still exist. The story you care so deeply about isn't worse because someone chooses to tell it in a different way.

6 minutes ago, Bruan said:

But Emond’s field as portrayed in the show might as well be A swinger’s club compared to how it was portrayed in the book.

Come on. Seriously? Because Rand and Egwene are having premarital sex, Emond's Field is now a swinger's club? 

It's an absolutely fair point to note that they have greatly changed the sexual mores of the Two Rivers folks. It is what it is. But that's a far cry from the Two Rivers being a "swinger's club". 

1 minute ago, Deviations said:

Would have better to have Rand worrying about the fever dream episodes 2-7 rather than mooning about Egwene.

Maybe. But they went a different way. There's nothing awful about the choices they've made so far, IMO.

You'll note a bunch of posts are now gone. Bickering back and forth with one another is never on topic. Those types of slapfights will get purged. Thanks.

9 hours ago, VooDooNut said:

When Rand sees Min alone later on, she tells him about a viewing that would logically occur after he goes to TEOTW (carnival stuff and three women) but in the next moment he doubtingly asks Min if he'll return from the Eye so it is a little odd that he doesn't assume he'll make it back to see these visions fulfilled.

Pretty sure he thought Min was teasing about those later visions.

10 minutes ago, divica said:

the show ignored the effects of rand finding out that tam wasn't his father in ep 1.

But he didn’t find that out. Tam was just rambling. He just pieced it together. 

She clearly doesn’t expect to return. But I think it is a bit too obvious. 
 

They’ve also hinted that Rand won’t come back. While we know that can’t be the case, they could head fake in that direction having him “die” from the wound in his side and then “resurrect” him in the cold open the following season. 
 

Another possibility: they “kill” Perrin, only to have the wolves revive him in the following season. 

2 hours ago, flinn said:

 Yep, in the books Rand used the clean saidin from the eye to destroy the army, but I have a feeling that will not happen in the show. They will give that to a woman or women and Rand will be a token.

Nope. Rand is going to have his OP moment. It is necessary to the narrative. However they choose to depict it (personally, I think it will be Rand rescuing the others from Fal Dara), Rand is going to go ham. 
 

The sheer power of the Dragon is going to be something they want front and center. The audience must understand that the Dragon is to be feared. 

1 hour ago, notpropaganda73 said:

Character actress Margo Martindale*

ESTEEMED character actress 

11 minutes ago, Sabio said:

If there must be a super channeler moment it has to be Nyn, after they made Egwenes fire so weak I just wouldn't buy a suddenly dangerous Egwene hurling fire everywhere.

Maybe she gets some on the job training from Amalisa?

Just now, BewareofSnowSnakes said:

I requested it. 

Seems a little extreme. Why not just log out? Not sure what happened, but maybe a little time away instead of balefiring your account?

9 hours ago, DaddyFinn said:

On the other hand I don't like her voice

That’s funny. I could listen to her read the phone book. 

13 minutes ago, BewareofSnowSnakes said:

Waiting for admin to wipe my account,

Why would we do that?

3 hours ago, bringbackthomsmoustache said:

On that point how does the economy of the two rivers work now that they have "health brushed" the tabac side of things out?

They didn’t. Tons of people were smoking in E1. It’s clear tabac is still part of the picture. 

35 minutes ago, Sabio said:

We will see super Nyn again who will take out hundreds of Trollocs.

I think the opposite. I think Nyn will hit her block and be unable to channel. I do think we will get an Egwene moment. 
 

My bet is Lan finally gets to do his thing in a way we haven’t seen since Winternight. And I think we may be left with the impression that Rand dies at the Eye. Not sure about Moiraine. Her dying would be a little too Sean Bean for me. Her getting sucked into the realm of the Finn feels too early. 

9 hours ago, divica said:

who wants to see the second season when you don't like the main character?

All of the non book readers I know who are watching really enjoy it and are looking forward to Season 2. 
 

And it needs to be repeated: Rand is not the main character. Rand is the Dragon. Everything centers on that, but this is an ensemble show with 7 “main” characters. “Friends” wasn’t about Rachel. 
 

8 minutes ago, DigificWriter said:

Because the show establishes that Min's visions are actual glimpses of future events.

I’m not sure we can simply assume this. For example, her visions of Nyn and Eg were not “actual glimpses of future events”. They were symbols. Moreover, we haven’t established whether Min is an entirely reliable narrator. 
 

Her vision of Rand with a baby (that appears to have East Asian features) could apply to herself and not to Rand. (Or to both, I guess). It could signal that they will shift the pregnancy plot from Elayne to Min. Or that Min will also become pregnant. 

13 minutes ago, Quiksilver said:

Interesting to see similarly budgeted fantasy shows running at the same time.

 

Witcher season 2 is showing what a $10 million per episode budget should look like. They also have taken similar liberties with the source material, but it is coherent and isn't a messy joke like WoT is turning out to be.

 

It's now embarrassing to talk about WoT show IRL

Nah. Witcher is fine. S2 is better than S1. But it’s not far superior to WoT. 
 

9 minutes ago, divica said:

It can't really be compared to what happens in the books

Of course it can. 

10 minutes ago, divica said:

If a character is undeveloped in season 1 then people don't care about that character...

But none of the characters are “undeveloped”. Some are underdeveloped compared to the books. But we have reasons to care about each and every one of the characters. 

11 minutes ago, divica said:

And what fundation? that he settlled for someone else because he couldn't have eg? that his wife was insecure about eg? That he is in love with eg?

Perrin is wracked by guilt about killing Laila. That’s compounded by his inability to protect Egwene. And now he feels like he is betraying Laila’s memory because of his affection for Eg. 
 

He will need to learn to love again. This makes for a strong foundation for the Perrin/Faile relationship. 
 

14 minutes ago, divica said:

After watching season 1 I don't know how you can use the books to justify any direction the show will take. about 90% of the show is completly diferent of the books...

Because it’s still the same basic story. 

1 minute ago, divica said:

Did we have him discovering he could connect to wolves?

Yes. 
 

1 minute ago, divica said:

concisously killing people?

Not yet. But why must it happen now as opposed to later?

2 minutes ago, divica said:

trying to deal with the whitecloaks himself instead of egwene? deciding to kill her to save her from a worse death?

No. But why was this important? And is it more important than establishing the foundation for his relationship with Faile?

3 minutes ago, divica said:

accepting that he had magical powers?

He didn’t accept that in book 1. 

3 minutes ago, divica said:

This season proves that what you are hoping for just isn't true.

No. It really doesn’t. 

14 minutes ago, JaimAybara said:

This is the best fan casting I’ve seen so far. Good find. I tip my hat to you.

Correction: second best. 
Margo Martindale as Verin is the best fan casting. ?

Just now, divica said:

And how can you imply that mat, perrin or rand received the same focus as moiraine, eg or nym?

Because they had nearly equal screen time? 
 

1 minute ago, divica said:

What would you call the arc between perrin, eg and the whitecloaks? that was a complete rewrite.

This is still going to be the story of the EF5. Rand is still the Dragon. Egwene will be the Amyrlin. The main beats for all the characters will be the same as they were in the books. 
 

You are grasping at straws here. 

3 minutes ago, divica said:

I am sorry but I have never seen a show that works as you are implying.

Usually the main characters of the first season remain as main characters during the series unless they are killed. And this happens because the people watch the show because they want to see stories about the main characters.

 

It would be very strange to change the main focus of the story from moiraine, egwene and nym to give at least an equal focus to rand, perrin and mat. 

Well, you’re wrong about the “main focus” being on those 3. This is clearly a show about all of the characters that left the Two Rivers. We have spent a similar amount of time will all 7 of them. 
 

Moreover, we know where the story goes from here. They may make changes, but they’re not doing a wholesale rewrite.