Elder_Haman

1 hour ago, henfen said:

The book is fiction and the critiques are legit.  It's not personal.  There is some good and some bad.  We have different opinions, that hopefully we can respect.  I like reading people's perspectives that are different than mine.  It would be boring as hell if we all agreed all the time.

There are absolutely legitimate criticisms of the show. I share many of them. And I enjoy a good faith discussion about them. It's why I'm here. 

1 hour ago, henfen said:

I wonder why some people feel so defensive of negative criticism

It's a certain brand of negative criticism that I find objectionable. This brand tends to spout opinion as fact and attribute political motives and personalize their arguments. And I believe they are rooting for failure. 

2 minutes ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

 

You think it'll be Ba'alzamon? Hm...

I do think we'll get Blood Snow this next episode and the Dragon Reveal. I guess it makes sense ... Only other person it probably could come from is Tam. 

Or Ishy. They may skip the incarnations. But I definitely think we are getting a fully voiced dream sequence. What if they did the prologue NOW and had LTT’s conscience “catch up” with Rand? Via flashback. 
 

I’m probably not explaining well…

Just now, Wolfbrother31 said:

And we have got to have some antagonists that we know ... or at least recognize. 

Definitely. But we also get Ba’alzamon this episode. 
 

Theory: Ba’alzamon reveals Rand’s heritage via flashback.  

5 minutes ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

 

Yes. I am now convinced that Fain IS Liandrin's mystery man & it will be revealed that they're Both DF's in this next episode.

This is a pretty solid theory. One of the little things about this last episode that bothered me was the lack of clarity about who has the dagger. 

2 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

Sexualizing a platonic relationship cheapens greatly a relationship that so many would love and very few actually achieve.

So you’d agree that they’ve done an excellent job with the Lan/Moiraine relationship then?

58 minutes ago, Ajimbura said:

you typically see this as men is bad, can't do anything right, gets the bumbling idiot slapstick character etc. etc.

58 minutes ago, Ajimbura said:

You see this all over the place in episode 1.

Where? Where is a man that is bad, bumbling, or slapstick in E1? (or in any of the episodes for that matter?) Just because we've seen some of the women be awesome doesn't mean that the men have been portrayed in the manner you suggest.

2 minutes ago, Gothic Flame said:

Wheel Of Time's Backlash Is A Major Risk To Future Seasons

Amazon's Wheel of Time TV series isn't getting the positive buzz it needs, meaning the future of the fantasy adaptation is sadly in doubt.

The core problem is that the Amazon series is rather different from the books - with these differences angering readers who initially loved Jordan's novels.

Amazon's hope would be that fans of the books would drive a positive buzz for the show to catch the attention of viewers who had never even heard of the fantasy novels. Instead, the opposite is happening: book readers are furious, leaving negative comments and reviews, as they're disappointed that the story they love hasn't been brought faithfully to life. The positive buzz simply isn't there, which threatens to prevent Wheel of Time ever reaching its wider potential audience.

Season 2 may be guaranteed, but the longer future of Amazon's Wheel of Time seems in doubt right now.

One dude’s opinion. Cites no metrics. Can’t take it seriously for those reasons. Also, it’s ScreenRant

1 minute ago, WheelofJuke said:

I just wanted a good tv show.

I'm sad that you don't feel you've gotten one. I'll admit it falls short of what I hoped it could be. But it is not a terrible show by any stretch of the imagination.

2 minutes ago, Maximillion said:

who knows at this point.

I do. Rand is the Dragon Reborn. 

18 minutes ago, WheelofJuke said:

But some may be beginning to feel the best thing for WoT and RJ's legacy is to shut it down...?

"some" being the self-appointed gatekeepers and book purists. "some" explicitly not including the author of the last three novels in the series or the editor of all 14 books. 

I'm really getting frustrated with people who believe they have more standing to speak to "RJ's legacy" than his wife/editor.

12 minutes ago, JenniferL said:

there’s an overall lack of male gaze in this show that I appreciate.

Alanna's dress tho...

2 minutes ago, Maximillion said:

Is he?

Feels like he is very much a support character so far.

Okay. And? Does that mean that he won't be the Dragon?

1 minute ago, Finfolfin said:

There has been little to any development of his character.

How did his character develop differently in the books? (And remember, we are talking about the time period between Winternight and the Ways). Yes, he had the Tam fever dream and the resulting questions about his parentage. But other than that?

2 minutes ago, Finfolfin said:

He has been relegated to a nothing character

I don't see that at all. He's been just as forward as the others. He's been the level-headed one. The loyal friend. The peacemaker. He is far from a nothing character.

3 minutes ago, Finfolfin said:

my missus, who hasnt read the books, doesn't even remember his name when he comes on screen.

That's too bad. The non-book folks I'm watching with know his name. They mostly think he's going to end up as Eggy's warder.

Just now, Therese Sedai said:

It’s my own pedanticism that ruins the initial watch. 

Definitely. I've enjoyed every single episode better the second time around, after I've had the opportunity to stress about all of the 'critical things' they missed. Usually on watch #2, the things I was so worried about don't seem to matter as much.

Just now, Maximillion said:

So the essence of WoT doesn’t include Rand as a major character??

hmm

I mean Rand is a major character in the tv show, so I'm trying to follow the point. There is no reason the show has to have Rand as the only important character or even as the central character. 

3 minutes ago, WheelofJuke said:

if they decide to put it through post production. ?

Why wouldn't they?

Just now, Pandemonium said:

holding all final judgment on the show until episode 8 is done.  I was starting to get excited after episode 4.  5 & 6 were solid 7s for me.  I really want a 9 or a 10 though and am still waiting.  the pace of this show is jerky and inconsistent.  I really hope episode 7 and the lead into the dragon is not too abrupt.  Rand just hasn't gotten much attention so far. I want to feel a plot buildup in each episode, but there hasn't been enough build up.  All the side plots are entertaining but distracting a bit from the overall story. 

I really hope episode 7 & 8 take this home.  As a fan I will always watch, and I know future seasons can make improvements.  But I don't want the low 55 metacritic score and user falloff to tank the show.  Hopefully the hype can sustain.  Don't want this to join the graveyard of canceled shows.  

This ^^

If Rafe sticks the landing, this is going to be a fantastic season 1. If he doesn't, it could struggle to gain traction for S2.

1 minute ago, fra85uk said:

I don't care about the ratings...even if it had 99.9% score everywhere, I would still trust my eyes and ears and think that it is an abysmal show.

 

Just like if all the reviews were from the 1 star crowd, I would still enjoy the show. Because it is enjoyable.

2 minutes ago, Maximillion said:

the ratings are dropping on RT also after E6.

Episode 6 gets a solid 8 stars on IMDB. Your hope that the show will be a dismal failure is simply not materializing.

5 minutes ago, DojoToad said:

Is that correct? 

Not exactly. 

Siuan tells Moiraine to get on her knees to publicly humiliate Moiraine in the Hall.

Later, when they are having private time, Moiraine tells Siuan to get on her knees. On this occasion, it carries a sexual innuendo.

I think people have their feathers in a twist about the latter of these two instances.

3 minutes ago, Yojimbo said:

It is a bit of a risk

It's really not though.

Just now, Wraith235 said:

and you enrage the twitterverse
 

Oh no. Whatever will we do. People are mad on the Twitter.

14 minutes ago, Wraith235 said:

hows it going to look if they walk all that back

It's going to look like Rand is the Dragon Reborn.

1 minute ago, KakitaOCU said:

Good onscreen male parental figures: Tam, Thom, Siuan's dad

I think the argument is that Siuan's dad is a baddy for letting his kid go to TV all by herself.

20 minutes ago, fra85uk said:

But all fathers are more or less like that in Rafe of Time.

Because we have such a large sample size... ?