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Gwyneth Paltrow, and I will defend that.

On 10/19/2023 at 11:57 AM, Scarloc99 said:

Or another way? With confirmation that Ingtars reveal is on the cutting room floor I don't see her having a redemption arc. 

Or:

"The Light shine upon you, Liandrin Guirale of Tarabon and the White Tower, and may you shelter in the palm of the Creator's hand."

It appears that part of S3 is being shot in South Africa, specifically Capetown and the northern Cape area.  Tear and the Waste in one shot?

https://www.wotseries.com/2023/10/15/the-wheel-of-time-season-3-filming-south-africa-new-york-comic-con-news/

And Rafe hath spoken: more Rand and Perrin.  Already mentioned before, here in more detail:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/wheel-of-time-season-3-book-4-sea-folk-aiel-waste-forsaken-1235618641/

2 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Exact quote from the article.

I'm not disputing that that was what the article said.  I'm saying I'm glad that it was cut because why Perrin (other than the fact that he's there?).

21 hours ago, Ralph said:

https://winteriscoming.net/2023/10/16/a-key-scene-was-cut-from-the-wheel-of-time-season-2-finale/

3 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

I'm sure it's probably been discussed to death over the weekend, but can I say that I called it?
https://winteriscoming.net/2023/10/16/a-key-scene-was-cut-from-the-wheel-of-time-season-2-finale/?fbclid=IwAR1VpnHvkjPBoBxCewCINLiSSwkjpDEMD0syPp4Txz6FC0xbz0qMdCxK-kQ

 

I'm very glad that was cut.  Confesses to Perrin?

6 hours ago, Lightfriendsocialmistress said:

Min would often have situations in the books where she knew what the visions showed were certain to occur but didn’t know how to interpret the greater context, the why or the how. I dont want to be too specific in order to avoid spoilers, but for example the one regarding Cadsuane and Rand or Alivia and Rand. She knew what would happen but until they actually played out it left a lot of the meaning up to interpretation. And there could be many conflicting ways of interpreting. 

Oh, the memes about Cadsuane and Rand. 🙂

Well, I still disagree. 🙂 

My oldest friend - apparently we've known each other since I was three months old and he was a newborn - is still the very same naughty boy that he was in school, only he hides it better. 🙂  The same applies to everyone else I know too.  So I find character development to be a bit tedious and wholly agree with Seinfeld.

Buut OK if most of you like it, I can live with that, especially given the ages of the people in this series and the fact that they're going through some incredible stuff.

6 hours ago, Jaysen Gore said:

Not sure which way you mean this - creators need to get over forcing character arcs where none existed in source material, or I need to get over wishing they wouldn't do it? 

 

I mean that we need to get over character development in general.  At the ages of most of the protagonists in this show, it may perhaps be a thing, but not any later.

3 hours ago, Jaysen Gore said:

character growth arcs

One day we'll move beyond this.  I hope to live long enough to see that day.

4 hours ago, Rhaze said:

I think Ingtar's redemption is a huge part of the books. How far is too far gone, can a dark friend be redeemed?

I have been thinking about this too, and wondering if someone else will take his place.  Liandrin would be fun. 😮 

I think part of the issue is that - as people have stated here - the opening books were sometimes all over the place regarding power levels.  And not just Rand's by the way, but everyone else's, as witness the change in power ranks (we got three scales), not only in absolute terms, but sometimes relative as well.  For example, Lanfear started off stronger than Semirhage, then they equalised, etc.

The other part of the issue - at least for me - is that I know how strong Rand is, and not just in channelling, and so how ridiculous everything has been up to this point.  I just want the TV series to hurry up, give me the full eight years or whatever it's going to be, so I can get to Veins of Gold and then the end. 🙂 

Having binged S2 E4-8 for the third time (and figured out a few things I missed before), I started watching the Youtube reactions.

It seems that people who've read all the books before vary between LIVID HATE and quite liking it.  Non-book-readers are quite positive, even gushing, as well as rather intelligent, eg:

My own favourite reactors remain Everyday Negroes, though I think Carinna will hate one rather important character in later episodes 😉  (Go to 45:50)

and of course Laura Reactions not the least because she drops her h's and says "Râând" so nicely. 🙂

Does this mean that Rand will get both dragon marks at the same time?  TBH, I'd prefer it if he got one first, then saw he wasn't the only person with a mark, and then got the second.

2 hours ago, grayavatar said:

Killing Turak with the power was a copout, weak and boring compared to what it could have been. Rand SHOULD be using the sword to fight at this stage precisely because he hasn't mastered channeling yet.

I disagree.  However, it would have been nice for Rand to come into the courtyard with his sword drawn.

Rand in his red jacket.

Lanfear in anything.

Indeed.  In S3, I almost expect this of Moiraine when channelling:

6 hours ago, DaddyFinn said:

This is an interesting question with no clear answer yet. I suggest looking at the "rainbow theory"

 

 

 

 

To me, it seems that he first extends the shield and then absorbs the Isht-blasts.

IMO, slam dunks in S3:

1. Moiraine finds a tailor.  And one for Rand too.

2. Rand gets another brand.

3. Rand gets a mark.  (And maybe another.)

4. Rand enters a terangreal.

5. Rand starts having first person POV flashbacks.

So you see, I expect a lot of Rand next year. 🙂

Continuing with the horn "problem", I'm surprised some die-hard WOT fan hasn't made a replica yet and seen what it really sounds like.

For extra magic, everyone coming out of the fog could have one too.  They could then proceed to blow away all enemies.

Plus if all Josha's asked to do for 7 years is to make stoic or angry faces, he's going to end up like Henry Cavill. 🙂

3 hours ago, Masha said:

And since we can't get to Rand's head, most likely the series will show how he looks from outside based on books description from POV of Egwene, Mat and other secondary characters - stone unfeeling face, eyes cold as ice, with random moments of rage. Why do all characters, other than Min, Perrin, and Nynaeve assume he is full of himself, unfeeling? And then add madness instability in later seasons (constant muttering and rages from book will work too). And then complete break down with all exposed at Dragonmount.

Yep, pretty much.  However, even though I think I could cope with that, I am also on record as saying that if Rand doesn't do something Big at the end of the third series, I shall be very upset.

If they don't show Rand the same care as they did to Nynaeve and Egwene, I'm afraid that people's attention may waver - including mine.  So I think or I hope we shall see more of Rand, directly, interspersed with the aloof, arrogant, paranoid character he is to others.

4 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Wait. You didn’t think they did a good job with Alfred?! Edward was mid, but David Dawson’s Alfred is one of my favorite performances ever. 

Oh, no, I didn't want to imply that.  I should have been clearer.  The characterisation is substantial; only IMO Alfred is seriously "depowered", to borrow a phrase from WOT reactions, and Edward even more so. 

I both fully agree with Elder_Haman (apart from his comment about Alfred (and even more so Edward)), and am also not entirely sure that the Rand we're seeing is depowered in the slightest (the reverse in the fact).

Rand should, by rights, become even more enigmatic as time goes on.  Nearly a sort of Sauron-in-inverse, he does actually occasionally turn up, pull something out of his hat that no-one expects or blast everything into smithereens - and then disappear.  And people talk about him, right or wrong or pick up the pieces*. Until almost the very end of the books.

*Eg: The Cleansing.  Yes, there is some Rand there, but then everyone is off doing something too.

It was never about Rand.