Mirefox
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9 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:
That's interesting, I didn't realise the writers' strike had impacted on S3, I thought it was S2 that was majorly impacted.
The SAG writers’ strike was July 14-November 9 2023.Principal photography began for season 3 on April 17, 2023. All filming wrapped March 22, 2024.
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17 minutes ago, Walker012 said:
I wouldn't say out of character! The books really did underutilize, or at least under-emphasize, the use of armor. (Possibly cause Jordan was a Vietnam Vet and I think armor then kinda sucked and possibly cause armor is sorta silly when you're fighting people who can call down lightning on your head).
I think Perrin's character is calculating and deliberate enough that he would go "right. I cannot lead this battle or protect my friends if I am dead. I do not want to die. I will be in the middle of this fight where it is worst cause I am the biggest and baddest target here and Dain hates me and will target me. This armor is available and fits me. It will help me keep everyone I care about alive by serving as a distraction if nothing else. I will wear this armor."
I just hate it cause the vibes are off y'know?
Or hell maybe be doesn't wear armor and the scene was a weird dream sequence or something.
I can buy that. For me, Perrin is so reluctant to be a warrior that I feel like he would avoid armoring up, but I can see how your thought process would work, too. -
19 minutes ago, Walker012 said:
I would like to resurrect a dead thread and this seems like a place to do it!
Perrin was wearing armor in the preview for next week's episode and I friggin' hated it!
Having read the above thread my rationale for an armorless Perrin is as follows:
He is big. He is fast. He is perceptive to a supernatural degree (thank you, wolves). He is smart (yes I know he continually says he is slow and methodical, but there is a reason he generally says this right before someone looks at him in horror and goes "how did you catch that?"). And he has a (not controlled) supernatural ability to pull the pattern of reality to help him or hinder others.
And in the TV show he absolutely DOES go into a berserker rage.
I assume he stole the armor from a whitecloak and they are going for a "becoming what you hate and fear" plotline, which makes sense for the character and was also sorta present in the books.
But I still hate Perrin in armor.
I don’t remember if it is something he ever does by the end of the book series since it’s not a detail that stick with me, so I could be wrong, but for me it just boils down to something “he wouldn’t do.” It seems very out of character. -
4 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:
I thought we’d see some sort of montage of him winning at dice during the “Hills of Tanchico” sequence. Missed opportunity.
And miss Elayne singing bawdy songs and dancing? I think they could have been throwing dice at his head and it wouldn’t have been a distraction at that very moment🤣
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1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:
It is rather difficult to debate the tone of the books with someone that thinks the unique flavour of WoT is that it starts exactly like LoTR. The kids don't grow up - they are already adults. How does the whole Two Rivers grow up with them? Jordan steered the story away from the Two Rivers is the Shire into the real WoT story line and tone.
I think things like no casual sex means more to you than it does to the story.
First, it was one example of many in the show, I just went right back to the start.Second, they were between 17-19 when the books start. They were kids.
Third, I’m sorry for you that you read over 4 millions words’ worth of novels and didn’t see any character growth from Eye of the World to A Memory of Light.
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3 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:
Yeah. That would have been nice. I hope we start seeing it more explicitly
When he first heard Thom I didn’t notice the singing. I though he was maybe distracted by a game of dice and I thought we were going to see him go and win a dozen rolls in a row or something.
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7 hours ago, Pandemonium said:
I liked how it didn't even look like Rand was trying to kill Sammael. If it was really that easy for him, does he even need Sammael as a teacher?
Loved the Hills of tanchico. i actually like the show version of tanchico better the book version. Whenever i re-read the books i am always rushing through that section with a little boredom. it is funny to me that i like Elayne's singing better than thom's. i never really liked his singing from the first season.
I'm loving how all the Forsaken and black ajah are scheming against each other and killing each other. Amazing.
For those that criticize Matt for finding the bracelet that easily-- this is what a ta'veren does. The show didn't explain it that well, but thom did mention how Rand and Matt were tugging at the pattern.
Pretty great episode overall and getting me pumped for the season finale! it looks like episode 7 will be purely two rivers.
It would have been so easy to have any character, even the guys selling it to him, to just say something “you have the Dark One’s luck” or something like that to hint that there is a supernatural element to Mat’s fortunes.- DreadLord31 and Fiona_12
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30 minutes ago, The_Watcher_And_Wanderer said:
Good thought, but he seems a bit young to be Jain/Noal.
And wasn’t Noal supposed to be really rough looking? Like a crazy old man with a bunch of scars or something? I don’t remember his description exactly.
Plus, I may be misremembering but didn’t one of the EF kids call Jain “she” at one point? Don’t hold me to that one.
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14 minutes ago, Kaleb said:
Totally agreed with this. A big issue is that WoT doesn't have a consistent tone the way LOTR does (haven't read ASOIAF). Jordan was just so good at writing different perspectives, and a Mat chapter feels different from and Elayne chapter which is different from a Graendel chapter, etc. Even in TEOTW, we'll have legit horror scenes with Ba'alzamon terrifying Rand in a dream chamber built of human skulls, and then Rand will wake up and be grumpy with Moiraine or something really mundane and silly.
It was the juxtaposition of the naieve/idyllic upbringing the the EF group with the horror of the Enemy that makes the difference in times work in the book. The tone changes as the kids grow. They were to WoT what the Hobbits and the Shire were to LotR. But instead, we started this show off from the very first episode with a Shire where the Hobbits are thieves, drunks, adulterers, pushing their women off cliffs into a river, casually sleeping with each other, etc. if you can’t at least recognize that that is a change of tone then there is no way to even debate the merits of it. -
This is very old, but I just read an article about Lord of the Rings. Apparently, Ian McKellen instructed Sean Aston to grab Elijah Wood’s hand when he first sees a recovered Frodo in Rivendell because it is a small detail in the books that fans would be looking for and would be excited to see. Now obviously LotR is not a spot-on adaptation, but this is the way to approach it - what details, no matter how small, can we squeeze out of the books while doing our best to adapt the author’s story to new medium.
This show very, very clearly takes a polar opposite approach - what details can we change while changing the story in a way that we think it should go.
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25 minutes ago, Guire said:Perrin hesitates to stab Padan Fain because of Layla PTSD. This results in Padan stabbing Faile. Simultaneously in the dream Slayer stabs Hopper. Perrin goes so wolf rage he actually turns into a real wolf and Dane Bornhald stabs Wolf Perrin. Cauthon girls stab Bornhald. Aiel Maidens stab Lord Luc. Loial trips on a pitch fork and stabs Maksim. Caution girls go super saiyan and heal everyone. All the good guys (newly healed) stab Padan Fain who walks it off and is healed by trolloc medics using their own boogers.
Rafe Judkins has entered the chat, folks.
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3 minutes ago, Vosha said:
Eh, Ishy had been partially sealed/free in the books for quite a while, right? Also, there is a 0% chance that those are swords. It's shocking that anyone would get that from the scene. The blades look like spear blades and you can see the long handles.
For what it is worth, if you go through frame by frame, there are sometimes spear shafts and sometimes not, and I’m guessing they couldn’t put them in for some of the moves that are impossible with actual spears. Further, she wields them as swords, the one in her right hand often looks a bit like a curved scimitar, and in a couple frames it even looks like it has a crossguard and at one point a hand guard. I’m not arguing that they were swords anymore, but they definitely botched the effects and choreography. No matter what she was holding, she was sword fighting and if were to believe they were spears, we also need to then believe she’s completely incompetent with them and holds them high up the shaft near the blade and uses them with downward slices… -
13 minutes ago, Ralph said:
Like in the book?
It’s pretty clear in the book that she has to be angry to channel. -
So, who is getting stabbed next week? It is the Battle of Emond’s Field, so there is bound to be some martial violence.
Loial has already been stabbed by the Shadar Logoth dagger.
Perrin has already taken an axe to the chest and been stabbed in the side, just this season.
Alanna just took a dozen or so bolts.
If I had to guess, my money would be on Faile “dying” as a motivation to set Perrin off. I suppose Bain and Chiad are lesser possibilities. Maksim is another possibility if they want to beat the warder/aes sedai relationship angst to death.
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7 hours ago, Sabio said:
Could saving Mat break Nyn's block? I'm guessing it will be her since Mat is with them.
Nyn’s block is poorly defined. She already managed to get through it to help examine the a’dam for no apparent reason other than the writers needed her to. If I had to guess, based on what we’ve seen elsewhere with Eggy and her a’dam, I’m guessing they are going to have Nyn break her block in some sort of battle with wills with Moggy and give her a scene where she overcomes the impossible through sheer will or something like that. -
9 hours ago, The_Watcher_And_Wanderer said:
The he thing that made me really enjoy Peter Jackson’s LOTR was that despite the departures from the books the story was told in the same tone as the novels and so it still felt like LOTR
Same went for Game of Thrones, the books had a darker tone and thus so did the show so it felt like the same world and the same story.
WOT by contrast just does not have the same tone as the books. It feels like they are trying to tell the story of WOT in the tone of GOT and it just feels off, despite some familiar characters and scenes it just doesn’t feel like the same story.
Agree 100%. I’ve been saying this since day 1. They tried to make this show something different than the books and it is Wheel of Time in name only, a façade. -
7 minutes ago, Yamezt said:
Really enjoyed this episode - especially the Tanchico bits.
Favourite part:
Elayne requesting for Hills of tanchico. Thom asking "are you sure?"
As the lyrics went on something like "one is not enough but three is too many" and Elayne caught sight of a lady moving her hands down her bosom, Elayne's Pikachu face realising what the song is about
That got a little weird. I get that it is a bawdy song and I agree that it was great the way Elayne didn't realize what she was getting in to, but once the song started, the women all began rubbing themselves in such a weird way.
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7 minutes ago, DigificWriter said:
Alanna was made as hurt as she was precisely to raise the stakes, and to heighten the drama.
If she wasn't riddled with arrows, the Whitecloaks' threat level would be diminished and they wouldn't be seen as credible or competent foes.
At the same time, though, Alanna still has to be involved in the upcoming story... hence the utilization of Mat's sisters being able to Heal her
It's not inconsistent writing or inconsistent depiction of the limitations of the magic; it's adapting the utilization of the magic to fit specific plot requirements.
“adapting the utilization of the magic to fit specific plot requirements” is the same as saying “changing the lore and creating inconsistencies to write the story the way we want to.” Hence the amateur garbage they keep delivering.- Fiona_12, DreadLord31 and Mailman
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18 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:My issue with the whole thing is just writing decisions and Healing in general in the show. Alanna needed to be Healed - no doubt about that. But she needed to be Healed because the writers' made that decision.
There was absolutely zero need for her to have been riddled with so many arrows in her fight with the Whitecloaks. Have her be taken out with one, two, hell even three arrows, nasty enough for Maksim to come back and save her but not so bad that she's about to die. Have her back in the Two Rivers ok, but not in a great way, able to Heal Perrin a little, but needing to rest. Have her discover the two girls can channel, still have her teach them to embrace the Source (I loved that!), even have her teach them a very basic Healing weave so that they can fix up her wound enough that she's back on her feet, but not in great shape! Perfect!
But no, the show had to go OTT with how badly she was injured and again just over use Healing and the level of training needed for what should be an incredibly complex weave. And no doubt Alanna will be up and at them and in full fighting condition for the Battle next episode.
The show again and again fails with this. On the one hand there are absolutely zero stakes, and on the other the stakes are so high that we have Rand trying to resurrect a little girl all the while people watch him worried if the madness has him.
The show is inconsistent with the seriousness of these moments scene to scene, it's really taking me out of it and is so frustrating.
Agree 100%. Deus ex machina is one of the laziest and most immature story devices and its overuse always lessens the stakes. It doesn’t matter if the genre is fantasy, competent writers will look to minimize it. It is especially obnoxious in film and television where there is often less exposition like you might get in a book to explain it. But you’re spot on - the writers didn’t need to do it here, but they wrote themselves a problem they likely didn’t have an immediate solution for and waved their magic little writers’ wands and made some healers. This show is lousy with example after example of this and even uses it in lieu of actual character growth.On top op this, how was Eggy’s first lesson with Moiraine in this show? Based on what we’ve been show, the Cauthon girls are vastly more powerful than Egwene if this show wants any internal consistency.
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8 minutes ago, Vosha said:
What? Those were 100% spears. You can tell by how the blades are shaped (tapered) and where she's holding them.
I just watched it frame by frame. When she first manifests them, the one in her right hand might be a spear as there might be a visible spear shaft behind her hand. She then proceeds to downward slash everything in sight, twirl it over her head, do some sort of downward block (with clearly no spear shaft visible).
If I were to concede that they were spears so as not to destroy the lore, then the other option is pure dog crap fight choreography that’s intended to look cool but makes no sense.
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4 hours ago, Irvyne said:
- As Perrin and Faile were getting to know each other, I was thinking it would be good if they stretched the relationship out a bit. Maybe save their official "getting together" for another season or two. Since, y'know, he was just telling her about how he fridged his wife. Oh. Nope. They're making out. Okay then. Anyone else think that was kind of sudden? Especially since the subject they were discussing was Mat...? 🤨
The only way these writers know how to show a relationship is by having characters bang. They couldn’t write an evolving relationship to save their lives.
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Reactions while watching:
1. Wait, what? Ishy was in TAR 95 years ago?
2. Moggy spitting in the food🤣.
Edit: Oh wait, it went from funny to horrifying.
3. I know what they are setting up with the little girl, but they’ve already used the cliched trope of having the closed and distant woman begin to melt when she watches the warrior being good with children in season 1 when Nyn and Lan had the exact same scene…
5. Thom still sucks. They gave him some colors in his coat, but he still has nothing in common at all with the book character. They also didn’t use him enough in S1 to make me think that Mat (who was not in his right mind then) would hear that voice across a market, have it mean anything, then even get excited about finding him.
6. This TAR nonsense is backwards. Eggy didn’t just stumble through it last episode, she showed mastery. She was able to instantly control it, guide another through it, and visit the dreams she wanted. But now she’s learning?
7. Rand’s talk with Moiraine was…interesting. We finally got a saidin/saidar distinction (should have happened in S1), and even a cut-off mention of it being gendered. But Rand’s lines seem to be implying that the writers want to take this in some direction where everyone realizes there’s just one power? I’m not entirely sure where they are going with this.
8. Good grief, if Mat’s sisters are going to heal Alanna….yep, it happened. There are absolutely zero stakes in this show, wounds of any kind mean nothing unless the writers want them to, and everyone can heal just about anything.
9. Avi with swords was complete and utter garbage. I don’t care if they weren’t real, she still wielded them, fought with them. And no, they weren’t spears.
Tanchico was fun, Elayne was fun, Moggy was creepy, all of that was good.
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S3E6 - The Shadow in the Night
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I agree, though I reserve the right to withdraw that statement if the ruin her going forward, which is entirely possible given this show. I was more or less neutral on her last season mainly because she felt a little underutilized. She’s been good the last two episodes, though.
I do wonder where they are going to go with her relationship with Thom. That might be a little odd for this show.