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38 minutes ago, DreadLord31 said:

 

It's subtle. But it's definitely there. Look of surprise when audience woman makes ... gesture. Looks at Thom, he gives her the "you asked for it" look. And then she "gets it" and goes for it.

 

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I noticed her expression and the pause, but they don't 'read' as surprise or hesitation to me; they 'read' as a needed pause in the song to catch a brief breath and to watch for performance cues.

I'm apparently the only person who doesn't understand the notion that Elayne was ignorant of what The Hills of Tanchico song was about and/or who didn't 'read' surprise or hesitation into any part of her performance.

1 hour ago, Mirefox said:

If you’re being a legalistic ass, maybe.  If you’re an adult and come across a 17 year old, they are a kid in every way possible.  

That's not how age works. 

2 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

Second, they were between 17-19 when the books start.  They were kids.

17-to 19-year-olds aren't 'kids' in any jurisdiction anywhere on this planet.

20 minutes ago, Figs and Mice said:

Not really the issue , though...  The question was whether Ishy should have been free to touch the world at all in that time frame. He wouldn't have been in the books ; but a lot of the detail as to his ability to partially escape his captivity isn't made altogether clear so I will give them a pass - more or less. As they are clearly intent on continuing to expand the Liandrin arc I don't mind the scene.

 

The other thing about it is that seeing the actor back - even briefly - gives me hope that we may yet see Ishy back (even as "Moridin" , though having the same appearance may be a problem !)

Season 1 already established that Ishy was repeatedly touching people's dreams whilst still Sealed, so why is it suddenly an issue in this episode when nobody objected to it earlier?

Isn't wasn't physically in Tanchico. Liandrin fell asleep, and he touched her dreams.

Alanna was made as hurt as she was precisely to raise the stakes, and to heighten the drama.

If she wasn't riddled with arrows, the Whitecloaks' threat level would be diminished and they wouldn't be seen as credible or competent foes.

At the same time, though, Alanna still has to be involved in the upcoming story... hence the utilization of Mat's sisters being able to Heal her 

It's not inconsistent writing or inconsistent depiction of the limitations of the magic; it's adapting the utilization of the magic to fit specific plot requirements.

12 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

is that even a serious question?

you have the power to blow up stuff on a large scale from a distance, and you use it to make a cudgel and bludgeon someone. it would be like going in melee with a tank and trying to hit the enemy with the barrel of the gun instead of just shooting.

Did you likewise find Leanne beating people to death with her Keeper's Staff or Alanna almost stabbing Liandrin with a dagger made of Air Weaves 'silly'?

Episode 6 pretty much just broke everybody's speculation about the identities of the 8 Forsaken because the presumption had been that we were getting both Sammael and Asmodean, but the statue that everybody thought represented Asmodean actually represented Sammael and the statue that everybody thought represented Sammael actually represented somebody else, which throws the floodgates of speculation wide open again.

Edit: Never mind. Asmodean is still very much 'in play' as a possibility.

From Fantasy Literature, I love Nest Freemark and John Ross from Terry Brooks' Word/Void series (the Prequels to his Shannara Universe) and Merriman Lyon and Jane Drew from Susan Cooper's The Dark is Rising Sequence.

In the Fantasy Television sphere, I'm a huge fan of Matthew De Claremont and Diana Bishop from A Discovery of Witches and Kirito and Asuna from Sword Art Online.

25 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

I almost wish Rand had done the marionette thingy with the girl's corpse.

There was absolutely no chance that Rafe and Co. were going to go that far.

25 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

Cauthon girls healing Alanna so easily was my only complaint in this episode.

Any magic system in Fantasy - even a 'hard' one - is going to be utilized ('function', wasnt the right term to use) at the 'requirement of plot'. It's just a fact of the genre. Alanna needed to be Healed, so Mat's sisters were able to instinctively Channel the required Weaves to do so. It doesn't 'break' the magic system in any way because the narrative explanation can be the same one used for Egwene and Nynaeve: that they're incredibly strong due to the Blood of Manetherin running deep in The Two Rivers (both the village and the region).

2 hours ago, Figs and Mice said:

Going to be a bit crowded fitting the rest of book 4 in ...

I honestly think that the show actually has far less story to 'get to' than some people might think.

Based on where the narrative focus has been, we've got 4 big 'events' left:

1. The Battle of the Two Rivers

2. Mat and the Eelfinn

3. Alcair Dal and whatever is supposed to happen there

4. Moiraine's death

All four of these plots can be isolated in pairs, with the first two happening in Episode 7 and the last two happening in Episode 8, with an 'epilogue' that gets the story headed towards Tear and also 'keys up' other things like the introduction of the 8th Forsaken and the culmination of Elaida's machinations.

First.

Some thoughts:

* Everything that I thought about Show!Liandrin has now been proven to be thoroughly wrong, but I'm okay with that

* Rand is a massive idiot, but he's still my second-favorite character

* Ceara Coveney singing is not something I thought I needed, but now that we got it, I want more of it

* A certain scene sequence involving Elayne and Nynaeve in this episode is really going to traumatize LezbiNerdy

* Being the Spoiled Show-Only fan that I am, I was expecting a bad end for Alsera, but I also knew, instinctively, that, if it went there, the show wasn't going to go nearly as far with what happened to her as the books did with the random 'NPC' that she served as a stand-in for

* I'm pretty sure that the show has made both of Mat's sisters into Channelers instead of just one of them

* I can't figure out what Lanfear gets out of 'siccing' Sammael on Rand, and it's going to bug me

* I knew it had to happen, but, man, Egwene and Rand's breakup was super harsh; Madeline absolutely killed the scene, though

Although I used to be certain that Moiraine would die but then return 'Gandalf'-style, I'm now becoming more and more convinced that she's not going to be Gandalf at all, but is instead going to be Ned Stark and die permanently.

5 minutes ago, Mailman said:

I'm not sure how you can be sure of that do you have her contract information. One release is a Guy Ritchie film with Cumberbatch and Hopkins attached so she is not the biggest name in that production so it would be in no way assured that she controls scheduling for it. Another seems to be a theatre production which would be difficult to move I imagine. She is however the biggest name on the WoT which gives her more power in relation to it.

If you are the Series Lead on a TV series, your #1 obligation is to that series, and everything else becomes secondary, with the obligation to resolve scheduling conflicts falling on any project other than the one of which you are the primary star.

Sometimes the producers of a TV series will take the initiative and be willing to work with their Lead(s) in order to accommodate other projects, but they technically don't have to do so and can assert their 'priority rights'.

1 minute ago, Mailman said:

I think that is very optimistic considering the release schedule to date. Also Pike has 6 upcoming releases so unless we make the assumption that she is exiting before the end of this season then her schedule as the lead will play a major role.

1. Season 3 was finished long before Amazon chose to release it, and the decision to hold it was driven entirely by the fact that Amazon wants to 'stagger' the release of its original programming so that it's releasing something new pretty much all year 'round. Therefore, if there is nothing else for Amazon to release next year around this time and Wheel of Time had a completed season of content, there would be no reason for its release to be held.

2. If Rosamund isn't leaving the series as an actor, her commitment to it supersedes anything else that she might be working on, and if there happens to be a scheduling conflict, it is up to any other project she may be involved in to accommodate her commitment to Wheel of Time.

1 hour ago, Mirefox said:

If season 4 is not yet greenlit, what is the turnaround between given the go-ahead and releasing a season?

Filming an entire TV season - even for a show as comprehensive and sprawling as Wheel of Time - can take as few as 8 months, so even if we don't get word of a renewal until late May, cameras could still start rolling in July and filming could finish next March, so when we'd see it released depends solely and entirely on what else Amazon has to release in the interim, and if they don't actually have anything else to release, we could very easily get a new season next year around this time.

6 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Yep lol I remembered that the last episode had the same name as the first book after I posted.

It can definitely be difficult to remember the individual titles of specific episodes since they're not displayed onscreen.

10 minutes ago, Mailman said:

The War of the Power I don't think could be described as fairly calm.

Are you referring to the cold open in the book? Have you read the cold open in the book?

As the book only references the war in that section at all with LTT saying for 10 years your foul master has wracked the world.

 

I cannot ever remember the number 500 coming up in terms of the WoP, so I am not sure about it's accuracy.

I'm referring to the Cold Open of Episode 1x08 (The Eye of the World) where we get a glimpse of a very peaceful futuristic society outside the window of Lews' daughter's nursery.

I'm also referring to the tenor and substance of Lews and Latra's conversation from that same Cold Open, which indicates a lack of urgency in needing to deal with the 'problem' of the Dark One touching the world.

Edit: Ninja'd

10 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Was that the timeline the show created in the Latra cold open?

 

The book version is that it was around 80 to 100 years of slow breakdown from the opening until the War of Power began which Jordan said lasted only around 10 years but events in the books supported it could have lasted around 50 to 75 years according to the WoT wiki.

I can't remember exactly where I got the number 500 from, but it's specific enough that I couldn't have come up with it on my own.

Even if there wasn't 500 years between the Bore and Lews' attempt to cage the Dark One in-show, the Cold Open to The Eye of the World does still imply that, aside from the presence of the Forsaken, things were fairly calm until Lews did what he did.

9 minutes ago, Agitel said:

Then it broke into all put war, which lasted a decade with massive devastation. The Light was losing the war, and two desperate gambits were devised by different factions. LTT and his "hundred companions" sealing the Bore was one of them. 

 

Now it's possible there were some pockets of paradise left at this point, but the scene in Season One suggests a very different history for the show. 

The bolded ilis exactly what I was getting at. I think that the show implies that, aside from the presence of the Forsaken and whatever chaos and unrest they caused, there wasn't actually any urgency - even 500 years after the Bore - to deal with things vis a vis the Dark One touching the world until Lews decided to just do so with or without the support of Latra and the female Aes Sedai, which paints the dramatic immediate effect of the Bore itself - the black tendrils and the crashing of the Charom - in a very different light than I think book fans - regardless of their positive or negative feelings about the show - may have considered.

I don't know why it slipped my mind to comment on this earlier, but for all of the dramatic chaos that the Bore initially caused, its long-term impact on the world in the show was implied to actually be pretty minimal until Lews decided to go try to reseal the Dark One's Prison 500 years later.

1 hour ago, king of nowhere said:

after the relationship upgrade they gave elayne and aviendha, and the story of alanna and her warders, and the comments on lan taking part, and some comments made by ishamael...

at this point, if they wanted to "bury their gays", they'd have to kill half the main cast

LOL. You're not wrong.

Concern retracted.

28 minutes ago, Yamezt said:

 

I can't of any reason Leane would look like this besides the tower coup 

A Promo Poster does not always - or always have to - be reflective or representative of a season's plot or story.

21 minutes ago, Yamezt said:

I suspect this season will kill off both Moraine and Siuan

Moiraine's death is definitely happening by the end of the season, but I really don't think they're going to kill Siuan too once they do get to the Tower Coup (which I really don't believe is happening this season even though they're heavily setting it up).

Permanently killing Moiraine (which is what I'm beginning to heavily suspect they're going to do) is likely going to inevitably get some people criticizing the show for running afoul of the "bury your gays" trope, and killing off Siuan as well would only fuel the fire of that discourse, which wouldn't be helpful for the show.