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5 hours ago, DaddyFinn said:

Jordan kept this mostly in the background and up to imagination

Based on the research I've done since entering the WoT fandom with the television series, it's my understanding that Jordan downplayed the true nature of "pillow friend" relationships and emphasized the hetero element of Moiraine's sexual orientation only because of the societal and cultural attitudes at the time he wrote the novella that became New Spring, so what the show has done is take the subtextual, make it textual, and expand upon it (presumedly with the blessing and input of both Jordan's wife and Brandon Sanderson).

Taking the subtextual nature of Moiraine and Siuan's relationship as "pillow friends", making it textual, and expanding upon it also serves as a straightforward way to establish and convey White Tower politics and the truths behind Moiraine's mission to find the Dragon Reborn by allowing Rafe and the show's other writers to present a 'false front' picture of the relationship between Moiraine and Siuan as Aes Sedai and Amralyn and then subvert audience expectations by presenting what's actually going on, as does using/introducing ter'angreal and making their meeting be physical rather than mystical/supernatural.

Even if he hadn't done so previously, Rafe has now officially confirmed that Moiraine and Siuan did in fact ter'angreal for their rendezvous in The Flame of Tar Valon.

10 hours ago, Skipp said:

Source?

 

My memory tells me that they said it specifically wasn't Tel-aran'rhiod but didn't confirm anything further.  People then jumped to a dreamshard as a theory instead.  But I don't remember anyone stating that the location that they went to was an actual physical location.

Upon reflection I may have imagined Rafe and others actually stating that Siuan and Moiraine physically went to a hut in Tear, but we did have confirmation/clarification on that point from official bonus content released by Amazon, and that bonus content info is consistent with the way the scene is set up and presented onscreen.

18 hours ago, Sir_Charrid said:

TheTel'aran'rhiod (I think we will find this is where Morraine and Siuan met) 

This interpretation has already been officially invalidated because it's been repeatedly stated by all involved with the series that Moiraine and Siuan physically traveled to a fishing hut in Tear by way of paired gateway ter'angreal.

6 hours ago, Cranglevoid said:

Nope, out of the perspective of the fans, their job is to adapt the original work as closely as possible, as allowed by the new medium.

That's not adaptation; it's translation.

Also, adaptations are not made "for the fans"; they're made for general audiences, and if existing fans get on board as well, that's a bonus.

@Andra When you're on a job or mission, you bring all the tools or resources that you have, even if you don't need them.

The fact that she had the sangreal and ended up giving it to Rand doesn't mean that it was necessary for the defeat of the Dark One in a general sense.

On 2/9/2022 at 3:56 PM, Andra said:

But she appears to have believed the Dragon needed the sa'angreal she brought in order to actually win. 

I didn't come away from her conversation with Rand with the impression that she thought that the Dragon - regardless of who it was -couldn't have won without a Sangreal.

I got the distinct impression that her conversation with Rand was specific to him being the Dragon because of his gender.

Just now, TheMatCauthon said:

Agreed, however I know that platforms such as Dragonmount are holding back on officially reporting on S3 being greenlit until they get confirmation from Amazon directly.

Which is their prerogative.

Official confirmation of a third season directly from Amazon would set Deadline's reporting in stone, but even barring official confirmation, Deadline having casually let it slip that a third season has been confirmed is a very promising development because, as I mentioned, they would not have done so without first fully vetting the information and confirming its veracity to their own satisfaction.

If the Dragon had been female, Moiraine could and likely would have had her trained as/by an Aeis Sedai, maybe not to the fullness of her power and potential, but enough for the Dragon to trust herself enough to not be hesitant in embracing the One Power in confronting the Dark One, after which point it would be a matter of letting the Pattern weave itself out and being prepared to do what was necessary if her (Moiraine's) gamble failed.

Outlets like Deadline, Variety, Entertainment Weekly, and The Hollywood Reporter meticulously source-check the information they publish and do not move forward on reporting something unless they are fully confident in its veracity, and so Deadline letting it casually slip that WoT has already been renewed for a third season means that they're confident enough in the veracity of that information to post it publicly.

Official confirmation of a third season from Amazon would be better, but the track records of and meticulous vetting procedures employed by the four sites/publications I mentioned means that Deadline's casual mention of a third season for WoT is still a very promising development for fans of the property.

2 hours ago, bombadillio said:

I think the best response again is seeing the ridiculously low rating the show plummeted down to after episode 8 on Rotten Tomatoes

 

Rotten Tomatoes is a garbage website, IMO, and its 'ratings' mean diddly-squat.

^ A breach of contract would've been huge news, so it's a virtual guarantee that Rafe and his team knew that Barney wouldn't be coming back upon the resumption of production.

It is possible that I'm overestimating the length of time that they had to reconfigure their plans, but even if they had only a month or so to do rewrites, that would still have been adequate time to adjust to their new reality and account for Barney's absence.

^ A good writer can turn out a script in a week to two weeks (or sometimes even less).

Brandon Sanderson didn't get an opportunity to consult on the scripts for Episodes 7 and 8 because they were rewritten during the shutdown (and amid the chaos of Barney asking to be released from his contractual obligations and the production team also having to figure out how yo shoot the final two episodes), but said rewrites would have long been finalized by April of 2021.

^ As far as I know, none of Episodes 7 and 8 had been shot when production was forced to shut down.

Barney's departure - which would have been preceded by a formal request on the part of either himself or his agents - happened at some point between the shutdown of production in March  2020 and the resumption of production in April 2021, and Rafe and his team would have therefore had more than ample time to reconfigure their original plans in order to account for it.

The notion that Rafe and his team had to 'scramble' because Barney Harris just didn't show back up at Jordan Studios when production resumed in April of 2021 is a fallacy.

Just now, Khan of Shadows said:

you don't put a legendary artifact in a plastic container

Why not?

50 minutes ago, WoTwasThat said:

Pretty much everybody in the public eye gets death threats.

So criminal offenses are okay if they're constantly happening? That's a load of bunk.

36 minutes ago, Yojimbo said:

Lan is the worst by far for me

Brandon Sanderson flat-out said that Daniel Henney's Lan is 100% the Lan that he (Sanderson) wrote in the final 3 WoT books, so you must not have liked the way the character was written in said books.

8 hours ago, EmreY said:

 

Second that.

Thirded.

I'm not really following any WoT-related channels hosted specifically by non-readers, but after checking out redlaytee's vids, I'm thinking that I maybe should be.

1 hour ago, VooDooNut said:

Does anyone think we will see more of LTT's time in the AOL in future seasons?

Yes. I think it's a virtual guarantee that we see more Age of Legends stuff, including a depiction, in some fashion, of the Prologue from the The Eye of the World book.

@CanisNoir Given that the characters whose characterization and arcs the showrunners assassinated were fan-favorites, I still disagree that the root cause of how GoT turned out was a lack of source material.

We've gotten off-topic, though, so back to discussing WoT.

I have a feeling that if Sarah Nakamura were to be publicly asked for her unvarnished thoughts on the show, her answer(s) might not be what people who have issues with the show want to hear.

9 minutes ago, CanisNoir said:

Game of Thrones was a fairly faithful adaption, until they ran out of source Material

I disagree with this assessment/appraisal of why GoT ultimately failed; when you look at the actual nature and tenor of the blowback that the showrunners on that series received, it wasn't a lack of source material to draw from that caused people's outrage, but the callous way that they (the showrunners) betrayed their audience by completely assassinating the characterization and development of several key characters and exposing the fact that they (the showrunners) had been lying to their audience about the ultimate trajectory of those characters' stories for pretty much the show's entire run up to that point.

It seems to me that a good majority of the criticisms that some of the people who are unsatisfied with the WoT TV series have been voicing since Christmas Eve stem primarily from a lack of understanding of  - or unwillingness to understand - the realities or nuances of how stories are told in a particular medium (in this case, television), which doesn't really expose flaws in the show so much as it does expose the limits of their own points-of-view.

There also seems to be a large amount of blowback stemming almost entirely from misplaced expectations about what the concept of 'fidelity to the source material' means, which, again, doesn't so much expose flaws in the show so much as it does communicate a dissonance between what some people were expecting to get versus what Rafe and his team are delivering.

2 hours ago, Brytac said:

The 2 I know who are none book readers arnt talking about it.  They kinda shrugged and said whats all that about. 

 

Indifference as it meant nothing. 

 

It had no context, no clue about it...anything at all.  It just didnt do anything for them, it was irrelevant as part of WOTs1 and certainly nothing to say to a friend..'omg go watch WOT...the end is amazing'.

 

 

 

Like I said earlier (in the part of my post you didn't quote), the success or failure of audiences to come away from the scene asking questions doesn't negate the purpose behind including it.