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    1 hour ago, Kazhvar said:

    They havent cultivated anything. If it is some multi dragon or female dragon or they attempt to behave as if the DR has been female in the past then the production team needs to change to name of the show and the characters because it will no longer be the WoT story and instead the beginning of some new fantasy novel that started in 2021. Wont have a need to watch at that point

     

    Just quit watching now, because the show isn't going to fit your personal definition of what is or isn't "the WoT story" since Rafe has already said that some of the previous Dragons were female.

    8 minutes ago, MasterAblar said:

     

    Strictly speaking, the Aes Sedai wouldn’t care about their relationship normally.

     

    Its only relevant because it would reveal they’re not opponents as they’re deceiving the Aes Sedai into believing. 

     

    Parts of their conversation indicate otherwise, rather strongly implying that their sexual relationship is a direct violation of White Tower rules because Siuan is the Amrylin.

     

     

    15 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

    Sorry if I spoiled anything for you, I thought you had read the books.

     

    But, don't you think that's an interesting idea? Couldn't Rand learn something different from one of his past lives as a female Dragon vs. only learning from LTT (discounting the fact that the madness makes him distrust LTT/the voices a lot)? Even disregarding the past lives, doesn't the potential of a female Dragon make for some interesting dynamics down the road between Rand and Egwene, for example? 

     

    No need to apologize, because I'm not adverse to spoilers.

     

    To answer your question, yes, the changes that have been made to the metaphysics of the WoT world open up some incredibly exciting possibilities, which is entirely the point that I've been trying to make with regards to the potentiality of the Dragon Reborn being female going deeper than simple misdirection.

     

    20 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

    But for the show, I just can't see how this does anything other than 1. add to the mystery in S1 and 2. possibly add some interesting wrinkles further down the line for Rand's story. 

     

    It doesn't really need to do anything else in and of itself, but it's but one part of a broader potential impact because it means that anyone in the WoT world can potentially be the reincarnation of an important figure from the past with a role to play, for good or ill, in the present story of the WoT novels as translated to the screen.

    @Lethira the second Moiraine and Siuan have two huge secrets to keep:

    1) They're working together to seek out the Dragon Reborn

    2) They're involved in an ongoing sexual relationship

     

    Cultivating and maintaining the false public perception that they are enemies allows them to keep both of those secrets from being discovered.

     

    Siuan is clearly a bit confused about Moiraine's motivations for letting Liandrin back the both of them into a corner in the fashion that she (Moiraine) did by not engaging in Aes Sedai double-speak, but the way in which she (Siuan) expresses that surprise communicates that said surprise stems solely from their personal connection.

    34 minutes ago, dwn said:

    It's only a possibility if you ignore the fact that we've already seen Rand channel.

     

    Rand being able to Channel is only direct and absolute confirmation of his being the Dragon Reborn if you're operating under preconceived beliefs based solely on book lore knowledge.

     

    13 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

    There are ripple effects on the lore that I think I'd have a bigger problem if we were getting in to the nitty gritty of the books. But the reality is, Rand is the Dragon. This will still be that story. The change to the lore in this regard only impacts the mystery in this first season, and possibly opens up different types of channellers further down the road. 

     

    I think I just find it strange that people are so adamant that they are going to make Egwene the DR, or that the many-headed dragon thing was a legit possibility, when Rafe has already said book fans know who the Dragon is. If that quote was a misdirect and they end up changing it for the show, then by all means get the pitchforks out, I will be right there with everyone else criticising that move and will stop watching. But I just don't understand getting so het up about those lines in the show at the moment.

     

    This comment tells me two things:

    1) You and the OP aren't that dissimilar in your opinions

     

    2) You're not taking into account the notion that the possibility of the Dragon Reborn being female just doesn't impact the mystery of who the Dragon Reborn is, but the nature of how their story unfolds. 

     

    By establishing that they've made a change to the metaphysics of the WoT world in order to degender souls, Rafe and his team have in turn made it possible for themselves to establish that in some of the Dragon's past lives, they were female, which is something that Rafe has already all but confirmed is going to happen.

     

    I've learned through spoilers that, in the books beyond Eye of the World, Rand starts seeing the former Dragon, Lews Therin, whom we know has been cast, but if a change isn't made and Rand ends up being the Dragon Reborn in the TV series, the nature of whatever he ends up learning from or being told by said vision is likely to be impacted by the fact that Lews Therin, as the Dragon, would have been female at some point in one of his previous lives.

    2 hours ago, notpropaganda73 said:

     

    ... they've cultivated it in order to keep the mystery alive 

     

     

     

    But they've also made it an actual possibility within the version of the WoT world they're building for the series, a decision that has actual ripple effects on how they tell the story of the Dragon Reborn regardless of who it ultimately ends up being.

    4 minutes ago, KakitaOCU said:

     

    You know, invoking a certain other author is usually sacrilege here, but going to say Wizard's First Rule seems to be in effect here.....

     

    Yeah, gonna hard disagree here.

     

    Believing that there's a possibility of the identity of the Dragon Reborn being changed for the TV series doesn't mean that people are stupid.

     

    Belief in said possibility exists because the show has cultivated it and made it real rather than just a narrative ploy to keep a mystery alive.

    7 minutes ago, Chadouken said:

    I'd say this is true for the first, and maybe even second seasons.  She is top billed.

     

    But this will change as Rand takes center stage and becomes the lead after a couple seasons

     

    I disagree, and believe that even once the identity of the Dragon Reborn is revealed within the show and other characters also begin seeing their importance to the story increased, Rosamund Pike will continue to appear at the top of cast lists, be promoted as the Series Lead, have her name appear first in the Opening Titles of the series and see her character significantly featured in some capacity for as long as she remains a part of its cast.

     

    We'll see whether or not I'm wrong, but I don't see anything that indicates that I will be.

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    Edited by DigificWriter

    Using specific terms like "lead" and following internal industry practices like explicitly naming her and only her in the official logline, seeking out actresses for Moiraine before looking to cast any of the other roles, and listing Rosamund Pike as the very first person on all cast sheets are all pretty direct signals that the WoT TV series was developed as an adaptation with Moiraine at its center even though the story is not directly hers. 

     

    Each of these things were also done with The Shannara Chronicles, Swamp Thing, and Titans.

     

    I could end up being wrong, but at this point see no indications that I am.