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    On 1/6/2022 at 2:17 PM, notpropaganda73 said:

    Another really good balanced review here in my opinion

     

    I really like what he says here.

     

    "Of the three boys, i thought they all gave good performances for what they were given to act on".

    "If you have 8 episodes, and you are lacking development of some of your main characters, why spend most of an entire episode following the plot of a character who doesn't exist in the books, who doesn't have relevance to the season, and who doesn't even setup a plot point for later seasons?"

    Ergo, they writers didn't give them time to shine in the first season. 

     

    he even points out what i say about the power creep. trollocs, the core of the dark ones army. are now trivialized.

     

     

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    On 1/5/2022 at 2:17 PM, Guest Testeria said:

    Really reading the book I now see all two rivers people (except Rand) as of south Indian physique.

    i would have gone more Mediterranean (Say Greek, Spanish or Italian) over India

     

    As for casting choices - 

     

    Rachel Weisz as Moiraine

    Sam Elliot as Thom

    Matt Bomer as Galad

    Nathalie Emmanuel as Min

     

     

     

     

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    20 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

    that is the thing I think people need to realise, this is a TV show and so, as a result you have to make changes and you have to do things differently.

    I Completely understand that changes are necessary because its a tv show. i expected changes.

    what i didn't expect is.

    the complete lack of development of any of the men not named Lan. (srsly, the most developed male in the series so far not named Lan is Stepin).

    the complete lack of consistency with the magic system. consistency is a very good thing.

    the romances were accelerated and made very ham fisted if you ask me. imagine how much better the payoff would have been with proper buildup.

    the degradation of several male characters for who knows why (Mat, Mat's Dad, Jagar, Thom, and even Lan in some ways). I mean look at all the development we get for Egwene and Nynaeve (Especially her). now look at the development of Rand, Mat, and Perrin, and can you honestly tell me they got a fair shake in season 1? They were utterly shoved into the background all season long. 

     

    There was NOTHING even close to fair in the treatment the men got compared to women. Imagine if all the characters got the level of development that Nynaeve got in season 1

     

     

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    21 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    I am surprised that you are still arguing over a choice that was not made.  Do you harangue your parents on what would have happened if you were not born?

    The point is that by even giving the potential for the dragon to be a female the world drastically changes in it's outlook of the dragon. like it or not it absolutely would have two vastly different outlooks, with one being MOSTLY POSITIVE and one being...well Yeah.

     

     

    I know if i was a person living in this world i'd have two VASTLY DIFFERENT OUTLOOKS of the Dragon. and while in the END the shows approach changes nothing, it Changes the people of the world and how they react.

    59 minutes ago, KakitaOCU said:

    Saidin being tained gives EXTRA reason to be afraid of the dragon.  Plain and simple a prophesized power that will break the world while saving it would cause fear no matter the circumstances.  And... It was always going to be Rand so nothing really changed.

    Saidin being tainted gives extra reason to be afraid of the dragon...if they are born a man. if they are born a woman there is no reason to fear the dragon.

    prophecy? what prophecy? the show has basically done away with prophecy as is.

     

    and maybe it was always going to be rand but it still does change stuff. it changes the entire world building and lore of the world.

     

    look at it from the view of a person living in that world.

     

    if the DR is a woman why would the people still fear them?

    if the DR is a woman there is zero threat of the world breaking.

    if the DR is a woman there is no reason for the DR to unify the world, as it would basically already be done.

     

    so do i look at the birthing of the dragon with trepidation? yes. absolutely. Am i scared crapless of a man? absolutely.

    but If it's a woman i go back to "eh whatever, life goes on" afterwards if its a woman. I am no longer impacted. the Aes Sedai already can easily unify the world, muster the entire worlds armies, and boom go to TLB.

     

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    1 hour ago, KakitaOCU said:

    The point is nonsense as has been discussed at length, there is no plot to "diminish men"

    Sure looked that way to me. You can't handwave away all the times men were made to look incompetent while uplifting women and seriously tell me otherwise. You can't look at the development difference between the women and men and say otherwise.

    1 hour ago, KakitaOCU said:

    Agelmar is equally useless in the books despite how much we're told he's good

    And yet he was a proud supporter of AS in the books and in the TV show he's shown to be the opposite and incompetent to the point of getting himself easily killed.

    1 hour ago, KakitaOCU said:

    LTT has a single conversation without outside context

    And yet somehow he's shown to come across as laughable and Latra is able to 100% predict exactly what will happen when he messes up? Yeah. Not even close.

    1 hour ago, KakitaOCU said:

    Tam did well but lost after 20 years of not being a soldier against something stronger, faster and bigger than him.  Meanwhile a large number of people took out a trolloc

    Tam still should have been able to hold out longer given his vast experience. Not to mention taking Mats dad and making him a womanizer is a huge detrimental change to how men look.

    1 hour ago, KakitaOCU said:

    Rand's moment in the Gap was a Deus Ex Machina out of nowhere and didn't make him cool, it made him a plot device.

    Still gave him some chances to shine in the books. Something lacking from the TV series. We don't even get to see him or mat learn weapons or Gleeman stuff from Thom. Which would have been excellent character development time.

    1 hour ago, KakitaOCU said:

    Perrin and Mat did nothing in book one. 

     Learning weapons. Learning with Thom. Wolfbrother stuff. Thry also got time to have their characters to develop. Something I saw nothing of in season 1.

     

    Lan got the most development of males in season 1 and even he has some wtf moments that made me wonder if he was competent or an idiot. 

     

    If the show didn't do men a disservice as you say. Please explain why the man who got the most development not named Lan was a SIDE CHARACTER WHO LITERALLY DIED.  Please explain why rand, mat and perrin didn't get a fraction of the development of nynaeve or Egwene.

     

    Because I seriously want to know how you can view that as anything close to balanced. 

     

    Wheel of time already had plenty of time for men and women to equally shine. The show has shunted men so far to the background that the most bland of the characters is supposed to be the dragon. 

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    7 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    Politics and Elaida's incompetence.  Healing Balefire is cool, though.

     

    Yeah because her repelling the Seanchan attack wasn't badass.

    7 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    In the first she helps; the second and third win technical Oscars but not Best Actor/ress. 

     

    she's literally already wrecking everyone and it's not even close.

    7 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    Everyone will get their turn.  And you cannot jump from complaining about overexposure to one where the character hasn't been exposed at all.

     

    except in the books they showed them to be more or less equal throughout. not "Everyone gets a turn".

    If your standard is "everyone gets a turn" then Nynaeve should do about as much next season as Mat did this season. aka Nothing, because she spent this entire season getting everyones turn. except i somehow doubt that happens.

    7 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    Again, the Lord Dragon, Prince of Morning, forces half continent to fall into order in two years and bests the Dark One.

     

    He wins, I think.

    except based on season 1, who is to say that he is going to do that? from what i've seen so far of Rands development i wouldn't be surprised if Rand only gets about 10% of it himself.

    1 minute ago, EmreY said:

    The Dragon is apparently capable of going against Satan and winning.  Oh, no, no power creep in the source material.

    Okay but at the rate they are going, when Rand is supposed to wipe out a trolloc horde on his own later in the series outside maradon, it's literally going to be small potatoes that he pulled it off instead of "hey its like he went hugely above and beyond".

     

    13 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    If the final couple of books aren't very carefully translated, this series will turn into the Apotheosis of Rand, and nothing else.

    Because Egwene unifying the tower and healing balefire damage isn't huge points.

    Because Nynaeve Helping to Cleanse the source, Healing Stilling, and Curing Madness aren't massive deals.

    Because Mat being the most badass general the world ever saw wouldn't be cool to see, nor him Saving Moiraine. (not to mention, just Mat).

     

    and that's barely scratching the surface.

     

    1 minute ago, EmreY said:

    As far as I am concerned, it makes perfect sense to play up their abilities right now,

    Except if they are untrained and doing this, imagine how stupid strong you have to make them after training them up to an aes sedai level. and then you have to make the dragon just that much stronger on top of that. which goes back to power creep.

    Furthermore Nynaeve has had all sorts of time to shine in the series and really didn't need more

    either way - this would have been a great way to give men and women some spotlight working effectively together and to not degrade a perfectly good character.

    1 minute ago, EmreY said:

    Give what?  The Tarwin's Gap encounter?  For the slow burn for the main character

    could have easily been fixed by having jagad go "hey would oyu aes sedai (and wilders and whatever) please stand at the top of this wall with our siege engines and rain hell on the trollocs from above"?
    makes strategic sense. shown in character with jagad from the books to be an awesome strategist and a guy who supports aes sedai, and gives a guy who isn't named lan a time to shine (at least when lan isn't trying to track something).

    2 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    Giving the Messiah every opportunity to show off at every chance would also make things more boring. 

    you mean like Nynaeve assassinating Trollocs, Tracking Lan and Moiraine, Mass healing many gravely injured people at once, or Wiping out an Entire trolloc horde? yeah she totally needed more time to shine didn't she?

    4 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    Which is part of the reason why Rand's appearances in the books declines precipitously except when he's not showing off. 

    so you couldn't have given mat or perrin or thom or jagad a chance to do something? makes zero sense. especially in light of how much they made Nynaeve into superwoman during Season 1.

    1 minute ago, VooDooNut said:

    This is an opinion

    no it's not. it's pure fact.

    Lan is shown to be incompetent at even tracking his own aes sedai.

    The Boys are shown to have next to no character development and even have time they could have easily shined taken from them.

    Jagad is taken from a brilliant leader and someone who venerates women and aes sedai and turned into a mysoginist and incompetent leader who gets his people killed.

    Thom is taken from his role and turned into little more then a con man.

     

    4 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    where women are shown to be blithering idiots time and time again (though I suppose that's OK, because they're women)

    in the books both men and women are shown to be blathering idiots time and again. and both are shown to have times to excel time and again. it was about BALANCE. Yin and Yang.

    The show has clearly decided that needs to not apply.

    Just now, EmreY said:

    3. Oh, who bloody cares?

     

    because if the dude is literally a great general nothing he did makes sense. at all.

    1 minute ago, EmreY said:

    1. Slow burn.

     

    so why give it to the women then? why not let Jagad show his military brilliance? by then we had plenty of scenes of the women being badasses. you could have even had him ask for the women to stand at the top of the gap to provide support and add siege as well to actually show his military competence. no group that lives this close to the blight would let such an incompetent person be in charge of the military.

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    4 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

    but I was satisfied with how they were portrayed.

    you're satisfied with men being portrayed as incompetent and/or assholes? mysoginistic? you're satisfied that lan is shown to be afraid of cold baths and unable to track his own aes sedai?

    you're satisfied that the three boys got less character development COMBINED then either Nynaeve or Egwene did?

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    8 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

    Depictions of brute strength are not the only way to demonstrate men's worth.

     

    i agree. showing Lan being an amazing tracker would have been a great way to show that wouldn't it? but no. he had to be told how to track his own aes sedai.

    Jagad being an awesome general, who is NOT a misogynist, and instead ASKS the women to help support at The Gap could show that he is both a GOOD guy, and a sound Strategist by employing what he has available no?

    The boys being seen trained in their weapons could show them becoming something more then "Simple two rivers folk" as they progress with their weapons and become actual threats to trollocs?

     

    we had plenty of stuff from the first book that could have easily showcased the men of the show as competent and of equal standing with the women around them. and instead they made them bland and almost entirely reliant on women.

     

    The entire series has plenty of badass women and moments for women to be awesome. they did not need to add more, and they did not need to make the men incompetent and terrible at best in order to do it.

    4 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

    The first season of a show that takes place in a world dominated by women reflects that dominance?

     

    they could have easily done that without making the men completely worthless.

     

    Why take Rands blowing up the trolloc horde?

    Why make Lan unable to track his own aes sedai?

    why make Jagad a mysogistic asshole who comes up with the stupidest idea to defend the gap?

    7 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    Because it made for excellent discussion among nonbook readers.

    except not really. all it added was confusion as you hyped up these females and degraded the males to the point that people still people that nynaeve or egwyne are the actual dragon, not rand, because rand is bland and boring and clearly he can't be the dragon because he didn't do anything impressive

    2 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    I really do not get this agenda thing.

    let's see.

     

    the males are basically changed to be at best incompetent.

    Lan can't track his own aes sedai but Nynaeve can.

    Lan complains about cold water of all things.

     

    Jagad (Who was a great general) somehow thinks the best way to defend the Gap is to not include siege weapons or placing magic users on the wall. Nothing about the Gap defense makes sense from any sort of actual military perspective.

    Jagad is changed to be a dick to women because why?

     

    Mats father is shown to be a womanizer and not a very good dad.

    Mat is shown to have a gambling addiction and not in a good way.

     

    Rand is quite possibly relegated to being the most unlikeable character we see in the show, and utterly bland.

     

    LTT is shown in a cold open basically being told by a woman exactly what will happen if he tries to go at the dark one (Despite this literally not happening in the books and not being even remotely possible for her to know).

     

    The men training with Lan is taken away and never seen but we get to see Moiraine training Egwene.

    Meanwhile the women are shown time and time again to be badass through and through.

     

    not to mention taking the Killing of the Trolloc Army from Rand and giving it to the women.

     

    because you know, the women didn't already have plenty of time to shine throughout the season to begin with?

     

    2 minutes ago, JeffTheWoodlandElf said:

    In that case, I would love to get some sort of idea what his definition of "too different" from the books is because to me it seems that what he did went beyond mere compromise. 

     

    Exactly.

    i fully expected some changes. the characters being aged up, going to tar valon and not caemlyn are not very big changes to me.

    other things though are just like "uh what, this fundamentally changes huge portions of the story going forward and is going to need even bigger changes later on"

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    3 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    You are also forgetting the existence of Dreadlords.

    Every male dreadlord can easily be negated by a full circle of 13 women.

    the female dreadlords would require work obviously, but the aes sedai have numbers as their advantage.

    3 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    If that is the case, my strategy would be to throw 5K after 5K at them until they all burn out.

     

    but if 5 can hold off 5k-20k that easily, and 3 of them were weak, what's a full circle of 13 heavily trained, powerful aes sedai gonna be able to handle? see the problem? the show has literally put themselves into a position where they have to power creep the dark lords forces ridiculously in order to compensate.

     

    Furthermore now were down a great general for the final battle.