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    22 minutes ago, Jaysen Gore said:

    Everyone blames Rafe - but I honestly don't think he was the biggest problem, even though he's the visible face of the project

    Rafe was the one who decided to put in the stepin arc instead of developing main characters.

    Rafe was the one who decided the books weren't feminist enough and they needed more feminism and he was going to write this how RJ would have wrote it today which lead to much power creep and minimal character development, and actually from perrin and egwenes perspective, a character regression from the books

    Rafe was the one who said mat was the character who was the darkest despite 14 books to the contrary.

    Rafe and his team of writers were the ones who decided to vilify mat instead of doing the simple logical sick person recovering.

     

     

    I'd say there's plenty of reasons rafe was definitely the major problem. 

    1 hour ago, WhiteVeils said:

    There could be 100 men waiting to protect the horn...just not all in the room of course

    If this was remotely true why didn't anyone yell for those 100 men the moment fain showed up? Your stgument makes no sense logically. 

    37 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

    if we follow the trend, 1 should have 2-2.5% of votes, but it gets a crazy 7%; it means 2% of those 1 are legitimate, 5% are bookcloaks doing their best to sink the ratings.

    similarly, perhaps a 10% of the 10s are genuine, and the remaining are wot fans trying to raise the ratings.

    That trend is only true if both are of similar quality of shows, and that's just not true.

    38 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

    so, if my mathematical analysis is correct (numbers don't lie, but the truth they tell is rarely the truth you hear; numbers are much like aes sedai in this regard) there are 4000 angry book fans out there who don't like adaptations and try to review bomb them.

    Your analysis is based on you attempting fo handwave away what you want to handwave away.

     

    Food for thought but even naeblis gave season 1 only a 6.5 out of 10 and he didn't expect a 1 for 1 adaption. 

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    2 hours ago, Andra said:

    And it's interesting, because Hawkeye had higher Nielsen streaming ratings than WOT, so I'm not sure how it's lower on that list

    Because parrot doesn't analyze watching time. It only analyzes online engagement. Which means that even say....a bunch of upset fans creating a firestorm online at the show count as a positive thing for wheel of times online engagement, pushing them higher up parrot analytics.

     

    Parrots basic tactics are "•any press is good press".

    10 hours ago, KakitaOCU said:

    You find out Harris is gone after the scene where they're all at the Gate.  How do you procede?

    Green screen them meeting up further away from the gate 

    Mat still sick. Then cut to them entering without mat. Simple. Sorry it really is that easy. 

    10 hours ago, expat said:

    How?  He was at the gate and all the previous shots included him which they couldn't reshoot and they couldn't edit him out. 

    See above.

    4 hours ago, KakitaOCU said:

    The same people complaining now would instead be complaining that Moraine left one of the possible Dragons behind.  There's a plothole no matter how you slice it

    But one is reasonably understandable and one vilified a character for no reason.

    1 minute ago, KakitaOCU said:

    The actor left and so the character has to suddenly be removed from two episodes.   What path would you do with it

    Instead of vilifying him how about go with the obvious very easy out and say that he was recovering from his healing and unfit to travel?

     

    It's a very simple solution to the problem without all the nonsense avout mat being a dark person 

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    1 hour ago, EmreY said:

    And overall there is too much waffling about character development nowadays.  It's a very peculiar world where the characters of adults develop over the course of two or three years.

    we don't expect them fully developed after 2-3 years, or even 1 season, but these characters have less development after 1 season then they did after book 1, and that says something.

    I mean for the love of god, Stepin got more development then some of our main characters.

     

    character development is absolutely essential for people to be invested into our cast.

    1 hour ago, EmreY said:

    IIRC the Stoic Hero was ranked first.

    he was ranked first in time on screen, but that just goes to show how badly they used his time on screen, a majority of the non book readers I spoke with who watched the show, were absolutely surprised at his reveal as the dragon due to

    1) how uninteresting he was this season.

    2) how little character development they gave him this season.

    3) how much they built up nynaeve throughout the season.

     

    3 minutes ago, wastingtime said:

    but many things would make the Reacher novels much simpler to translate to screen faithfully than the WOT novels, surely

    Maybe. But there is a difference between making necessary changes due to adapting and making unnecessary changes for no reason.

    Absolutely no one I have talked too or seen post asked for an Absolutely 100% book to TV show faithful adaptation. We knew stuff would need to be trimmed and made clearer, etc. But there was a lot of completely unnecessary changes made and not for the better either.

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    38 minutes ago, EmreY said:

    What on earth do your comments have to do with whether non-fans people watching with you liked the series or not?  

    if they are non fans it would not matter what the source of the series is, so why take a beloved property, ruin it for the fans, in order to present a story to non fans?

    why not just make a new story? non fans nothing changes for them, and for the fans of the series? well it no longer applies because you're not adapting their series anymore. It makes zero sense to take an established series, and make widespread changes to appeal to something other then the target audience, you should have just made something new in general.

     

    making changes to appeal to a new audience? fine. making so many changes you alienate the existing audience? that is problematic.

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    6 hours ago, Juan Farstrider said:

    Why would anyone be enticed into watching the TV side of Prime for some fantasy book series they probably know nothing about? Why would they watch it if they "never usually watch fantasy TV shows"?  So, Amazon was creating shows intended for people are not even fans of the genre by your logic. But logic logic would instead have them adapt shows from books that had loyal audiences who would watch the show if it was good. Then word of mouth from zealous and happy Book Cloaks, may the light ever illume our pages, would bring people in. That's what GoT did. 

    Furthermore, if you're not going to target fans of the books, why bother adapting wheel of time at all?

    why not just create a new original property where you're not going to face backlash like this for changing so much of the source material? 

    5 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    You are screaming into the void that the show sucks and can't be improved.

    The show absolutely can be improved. I just don't think rafe can pull it off. I've seen what his writing and ideas do to great material. 

     

    6 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    But we also know that season 2 was halfway through filming before season 1 aired so that feedback can only be used in the editing room and for season 3.

    If it even manages to get a season 3. Season 1 ended badly and without changes I dont think season 2 will drive enough interest to keep it going.

    25 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    Your point being?  In my wildest dreams I would never have expected everyone to love this show

    Meanwhile game of thrones.

    You know. What wheel of time was billed as?

    25 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    It is the simple fact that adaptations will be different when changing mediums

    There is different and there is UNNECESSARILY DIFFERENT. many changes fit the latter.

     

    25 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    Ratings for WoT were actually quite good at around episode 6 but really took a dive after episode 7 and 8.

    Patently false. Metacritic has even episodes 5 and 6 sub 5.0 score, dropping 1.5 points to 4.6 for episode 5 (and reaching 2.0 for thr last episode). 

    26 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    And it sucks that you can't enjoy the show or hope that it improves to a point that you would be happy with.

    Yeah well you can blame rafe and company for putting out mediocre (at best) content. Personally I won't be back. 

    12 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    Why do you keep bringing this up as if it means something terrible

    Because the show was literally billed as the next game of thrones. And yet has rhe same rating as Shannara chronicles.

     

    13 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

    you don't like the show, maybe stop watching and participating in show-related discussion? (A suggestion.) I doubt the show will get better for you from here

    So we shouldn't fight for a better show? Sorry you are okay accepting mediocrity.

    1 minute ago, WhiteVeils said:

    But that doesn't mean I can't appreciate it for what it is, understand why they did it, and see the effect of their choices on audiences that are not me

    You mean like the 7.2 audience score at best?  Yeah. Their choices are obviously working well.

    3 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    Tweet just from today from someone who's not at all involved in the WOT community or anything...just watching the show..

    And yet that episode was one of the worst reviewed of the season. So congrats changes like this tugged at a few heart strings.

     

    It also led to some of the worst episodes of the season (5 through 8), spent a lot of time developing a character who we killed off (and reduced core cast development), detailed the main plot of rhe season, and pushed away other people.

     

    How many people would have loved to seen more time put into developing our main cast? How many people would have loved to see the magic system thoroughly explained? How many people would have loved to see actual cultures in the world?

     

     

    2 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    This board represents a minority of the WoT fandom.  There are plently of WoT book loving Content creators that also enjoyed the show

    There are also plenty who find it mediocre of worse.

    3 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    They are still spreading the word while hoping aspects of the show will improve

    And how many are out there outright dropping it or laughing at how bad it is because of all the changes they made. Even most the ones who say they enjoy it put qualifiers on it that they have to view it as another timeline entirely. 

     

    4 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    And don't act like there aren't GoT purists who dislike the show

    There are. But the mass majority have shown they like it. Also got has a 9.2 on imdb. WoT has a 7.2.

     

    Wheel of time SUFFERED because of the changes they made, alienating large portions of potential audiences. And yet every time this has happened in yhe past, the portion that was specifically alienated on purpose is the part that gets blamed.