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    1 hour ago, Skipp said:

    Agreed, I was just responding CauthonFan4

    Yes alienating thr group who is going to spread the word of yout show the most is a capital idea. Look at how much it worked out for Shannara. Meanwhile game of thrones kept them in the happy category and you have one or the most talked about shows in history... based on yhe current ratings I doubt wot will make it to conclusion. And they better not blame book fans fof it when it does fail.

    20 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

      There's nothing that contradicts it

    Theres plenty of source material that shows mat was anything but the character who suffered the most from his darkness. How much has tgat worked towards keeping them from turning mat into the darkest character?

     

     

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    19 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    To make the actor for Lan not seem like a robot as he goes into his love story with Nynaeve, but show that he has emotions, even if he does not show them

    Man if only there was a way to make Lan not seem like a robot without adding stuff that didn't happen. You know, like having Lan take an interest in training the boys with weapons and stuff like that. Man wouldn't that have been great. Character development for all the men AND sticking to the source too. But I'm sure rafe knows better then Robert Jordan.

     

    19 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    So the show writers could choose to do what they felt fit best with the world from their POV.

    Maybe the writers should stop doing what they feel is best and stick the source material. 

     

    If youre going to call yourself wheel of time don't just change the source material just because you can. Otherwise you're not wheel of time.

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    5 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    You do think that either Lan, if told it was his duty to be the designated mourner for the funeral of a dear fellow Warder

    I think this is an idiotic idea of monumental proportions to begin with. No one should even NEED A PERSON DESIGNATED SPECIFICALLY WHOSE JOB IT IS TO MOURN THEIR PASSING.  Just think about how dumb that sounds. Imagine if a church literally told people they HAD to come mourn someone else's passing. 

     

    But hey. Keep defending a show that literally makes this a thing. Keep defending a show that doesn't understand the source material at all.

     

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    7 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    Most of whom show strong emotions at specific moments so you empathize with them.

    But in a way that is totally in line with their character. What we have seen from the show is not Lan at all. But hey, who cares about accuracy to the source material?

     

    Why even call yourself wheel of time if you're not gonna follow the wheel of time source material?

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    16 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    And terribly unappealing in every one. This isn't supposed to be a teen movie?

    Funny, the teen drama in episode 7 and even the initiation in episode 1 convinced me otherwise.

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    22 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

    Amazon seems happy and it has sat pretty consistently in top 4 week to week during the release run and who knows how many have come to it since it was released.

    For season 1 maybe. How many are going to walk away after the awful end of season 1? How many are going ro be pushed away because book fans are out there saying how bad it is compared to the source?

    22 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

    Yes this is a difference to Morraine in the books, but it is a change I like

    That doesn't surprise me. You seem to like almost everything. This series doesn't even understand the source material and based on what you say I don't think you do either. Balance doesnt matter in the show. Which is a shame because that's the entire message of the source material. You don't care about the lack of the men's council/mayor, despite that reducing balance. But what a surprise you defend that.

     

    Or better yet. The show should be renamed. It doesn't care about the source material at all.

    13 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

    Amazon actually has fewer Prime members that watch TV then you realise, that is one of the reason they are pushing original series to try and get more people watching the TV side of Prime. 

    But the point is you get more for yout money with a prime membership than you do with other services.

    14 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

    In terms of Changes that are required for TV, the only one that confuses me is the change to Mats Dad, taking the list above

    Really? So you're gonna tell me that every single other change that occurred was absolutely necessary in order to convert from book to TV series? It was necessary to have stepins arc as an example?

     

    17 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

    Adding them adds nothing either, and just because they are not on screen doesn't mean they don't exist

    By rhat logic why did we need to add the women's council or the initiation?

    18 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

    I liked this, it was something new from the books and, for Non book readers it defines that she has come of age, it presents the idea that she was really excited about this event and that then feeds into later in her story arc

    Funny how we get that for her but we get nothing for the guys. But no surprise, the guys spent season 1 just getting shafted anyway.

    18 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

    Book readers are not, and should not be the target audience here. There are not enough in the world to warrant making a TV show with this budget.

    Yeah just alienate the crowd that spread the word about the show. Makes total sense. Game of thrones kept the book fans included and that ended with a 9.2 even factoring in how awful later seasons are.

    21 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

    Amazon also wants to draw in people who never usually watch fantasy TV shows. That feeds very much into the tone of the show as well and many of the creative decisions of what to cut and keep

    Yeah because Sci fi and fantasy is so much a pariah in today's society.

    We dont have stuff like star wars, got, or marvel putting fantasy in the mainstream. 

     

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    39 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    That's why the episode on the Warder Bond now...it's all about setting up Alanna. Just as an example. Episode 1 is packed with end game Memory of Light stuff. 

    Which is how they screwed it up bad. We have 7 seasons to setup for memory of light and they didn't need that stuff "NOW". They could have easily spent that time developing the characters instead. They put the cart way to far before the horse.

    Our characters are even less developed then yhe book at this point and that says a lot.

     

    24 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    There may be Hunters for the Horn still, based on what other cultures believe, and the Shienarans would be protecting the horn from them too

    What culture? The show threw culture out straight from the get go.

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    22 hours ago, Sir_Charrid said:

    Again those choices where made in order to make a TV show that works

    Except does it work? Even the best audience score is only a 7.2 out of 10, and it only goes down from there.

     

    Furthermore you can't say every change was due to adapting it. Pure and simple there was plenty of totally unnecessary changes that go beyond "make this from a book to a TV series"

     

    The show had less viewership then most mcu shows that require a sub to Disney+ which costs extra and only provides streaming, meanwhile almost every household I know already has prime for the obvious benefits it provides outside of streaming.

     

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    1 hour ago, notpropaganda73 said:

    I actually think the issues around a cohesive story in the trilogy stem from the decision not to have a unified idea from the beginning

    considering the fact that we literally had lots of EU material out there for Star Wars as is, this sounds like Disney made themselves a problem they didn't need to create, simply by throwing lots of source material out. Kind of like Rafe and Company.

     

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    5 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

    Nor is he obliged to. If the show fails, it fails. That's still on him and the rest of the company.

    and how would you respond if your employee failed to listen to feedback and failed a project because of it? right now Rafe of Time isn't looking so good. Amazon advertised it as the next Game of Thrones and the 7.2 on IMDB doesn't show that. It's alienated a large part of the core audience, who won't be around for season 2, and it's not standing up to Game of Thrones standards (unless you mean seasons 5 - 8 Standards).

    5 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

    Amazon's adaptation/based on television series The Wheel Of Time: A product created by Rafe&Co, inspired by their interpretation of Robert Jordan's epic fantasy series.

     

    they should just rename it at that point if they have to put in that many caveats.

    5 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

    Rafe isn't trying to rewrite the books, and Robert Jordan isn't crawling out of his grave to give feedback on the show. They are two separate properties.

    except he literally said "i'm gonna write it how robert would write it today". so he is in fact "Rewriting them".

     

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    3 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

    Who's feedback should be considered the most important? Mine? Yours?

    How about we start with why Rafe thinks it was okay to rewrite the story in the first place? the original argument was that fans can't provide the author feedback on how to write it, but Rafe seems to have no problem with telling Robert what Robert should do (provided Robert was still alive). IMO what he has done seems very disrespectful.

    4 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

    I merely meant I am enjoying the show. I am looking forward to season 2.

    and yet from what i can see, a large portion of the book fans aren't, and are ready to check out on season 2. It makes zero sense to alienate your target audience in order to bring in a new audience. you can do both just fine. look at Game of Thrones. Football is attempting to bring in younger viewers as well but it isn't alienating the major fan base in its decision to do so either.

     

    4 minutes ago, Andra said:

    Rafe said that, for its time, Jordan's work was pretty feminist.  But that he would write it differently today, and that Rafe intends to correct that.

    which is false. WoT is pretty feminist even by todays standards.