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    11 minutes ago, Humbugged2 said:

    How could they re shoot it when he was not there  .? And how could they edit him out when he was in every shot?

    Reshoot it without him there ofcourse. And have them go "where's mat?"

    "He just got healed and is too weak to come with us, he's recovering"

    4 minutes ago, Pukel-man said:

    It's not necessary to alienate the old fans to win new ones, it's possible to satisfy both

    Cough. Harry potter.

    Cough. Lotr. 

    Cough. Game of thrones.

    Cough. Hunger Games.

     

    I'm sure I'm forgetting some well loved fantasy adaptation.

    7 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    The last big fight, per the show discussion, was with Agelmar's father's, against 1000 trollocs in the gap.   That was a generation ago

    So if that wall held against 1k how did it get overrun by the first couple hundred to the wall this time?

    8 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    1000 trollocs would never be able to climb to reach the arrowslots.

    They didn't need 1k to reach the Arrowslits. A couple hundred did that.

    9 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    Now, in the books, Aglemar just rides out in the middle of the trollocs and does not use any fortifications at all.  So using crossbows and fortifications (the fortified city and the wall) is an improvement, even if they hadn't had time to build more defenses.

    In the books agalmar knew he was outmatched and knew he was just there to buy time for moiraine and company to do what they were doing. He also actually asked her to help first.

    8 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

    If Rafe had done it a different way, rest assured, it'd be complained about just as much

    Can you be sure of that? I think having moiraine send reds after him is about the worst thing they could have done short of killing him.

    2 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    but it would have looked quite weird for him to be in the shots at the waygate

    So reshoot those shots. Or edit him out.

    But if you want to talk about weird.

    Moiraine calling him evil and sending reds after him when her last interaction with him was healing him? Weird.

    5 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    RJ2 said that Mat will be moving onto his arc from book 3 onwards for the show

    Don't call him RJ2. He doesn't deserve to be held in the same breath as Jordan after what he's written.

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    6 minutes ago, Juan Farstrider said:

    his time in the military

    Here's what I find hilarious. 

    according to Agelmar, they have apparently always defended that gap with its very crappy defenses (no siege?) For a very long time.

    During the battle all it took was about 200 go overrun them. So are the showrunners really going to tell us that they all that attacked them over all those years were very small armies? Seems a waste of resources on the dark ones side to keep throwing tiny armies at that wall if you could overrun it with a couple hundred easily. Not to mention why build a wall so high if all you've ever seen was maybe 200 trollocs tops.

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    37 minutes ago, Skipp said:

    The biggest change for Show Mat compared to book Mat is that they saddled him with responsibility

    Making him a thief who steals from neighbors and the dead and who abandons his friends seems a pretty big change. Mat in yhe books was willing to go into the stone of tear to rescue someone, something brgitte admits she would not likely do. 

     

    And if you want to say they had to do that because he didn't come back...

    They could have said he was still recovering from his healing, and had to stay behind. Instead moiraine makes him out to be a villain and sends reds after him.

     

    One is a heck of a lot more believable and the other screws up who Mat is. But then again that seems par for the course for Rafe.

    53 minutes ago, Humbugged2 said:

    But he was dreadful in nearly all of books 1-3 ( until chpt 18)

    Not nearly to the level they tanked him in season 1.

    53 minutes ago, Humbugged2 said:

    He was gollumed early on

    And the show decided to just make him bad straight out the gate. All because rafe thought mat struggled with the dark side of himself the most (hint, not even close; but then again rafe didn't even think Rand was the main character).

     

     

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    6 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

    isn't it the same thing I expressed? good ideas, passable execution.

    not exactly. I think changing how the gender dynamics was a good idea, If it was done with Balance in consideration and the execution was good. the show failed on both accounts.

     

    ergo i support the idea of changing the gender dynamics and focusing less on rand and making the women more equal to the men. I do not support what the show did with making the women the focal point in season 1 the way they did.

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    8 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

    Do you remember how much genuinely awful fantasy fare was around in those days? 

    I also think he gets part of the mark wrong - it's not that people didn't like it, it's just that it wasn't absolutely amazing. and I can agree with that. the first book was kind of slow, but did a good job of developing the world and laying the groundwork forward and doing enough to capture people going  forward. 

    It didn't catch me as hard as Red Rising, Lies of Locke Lamora, and Stormlight Archive did, but it did enough to keep me engaged and promise more down the road.

    Even still - I think the first book did a better job then the first season of the show did.

     

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    1 hour ago, king of nowhere said:

    Making moiraine the main character improves the story, she's a lot more interesting than three paesants.

    that goes without saying - you have a worldly person who has spent the past 20 years on a mission, as opposed to a bunch of backwater peasants slowly coming into their own. So ofcourse she's going to start off as the more interesting character - and I definitely agree, making her the focal point early on was probably a better decision so you can build up the other characters around her and let them come into their own.

    Unfortunately they have failed to execute on growing our characters as people.

    Oh sure, they have had interesting scenes here and there, but by and large how much have they actually grown? Book 1 didn't do much for the development of our EF5, but it did lay a sound groundwork with them waking up to what the outside world was like, and the training they received which allowed them propel forward.

    And Frankly i think they royally fragged Egwene altogether - TV show - you have her whisked away as one of the potential 5 dragons, and then she saves her and Perrin from Valda. Then the disaster with her being Fought over by rand and perrin like she was some prize and with her "miracle healing nynaeve".

    meanwhile in the books she was the one who was READY to leave her life behind and find out more and be more. She wasn't SUPPOSED to leave the village with Moiraine, Lan and the boys. She Forced her way in. She wanted to get out there and see what was going on and take a chance and seize this power that Moiraine spoke of. Did she evolve much over book 1? not especially, but she was SELF MOTIVATED. She was ready to abandon her old life. She wanted More. Even so to the point that she unbraided her hair and was ready to argue with Nynaeve about it.

     

     

    36 minutes ago, ArrylT said:

    We all know the show has hundreds of employees, and yet time and time all the fault is given to Rafe.  And just like Rafe, Moiraine has a higher boss to answer to.

    But Rafe was the one who said that he wanted to change the story and make a bunch of changes that would piss off the book fans.

     

    So are we to assume that Rafe is just taking the fall for his boss by saying stuff like that?

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    55 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

    anyway, the portrayal of gender was terrible; the "why I gave up reading wheel of time" review sums up perfectly the problems with it.

     

    meanwhile we got hardcore feminists on youtube sitting there saying that the tv show did an even worse job of gender portrayal then the books did. one of the chief complaints i see pretty much everywhere about the TV show is the lack of development of the characters in general, but how the men take the cake

     

    There is one who even pointed out (since people like to point out Rands Screen time) that yeah, he gets a lot of screen time, but what do they actually do with it? Many people have actually been surprised that Rand has as much screen time as he does, because you don't see any real development of him over the course of that screen time. 

     

    55 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

    anyway, the portrayal of gender was terrible; the "why I gave up reading wheel of time" review sums up perfectly the problems with it.

     

    I agree gender portrayal wasn't that great in the books, but I don't think the tv show did a good job here either. 

     

     

     

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    30 minutes ago, EmreY said:

     

    I don't disagree in the case of nearly-resurrected Nynaeve. 

    the problem here is they have written her into super human mode, and now the only real place you can go with her story arc is to "nerf" her some way, which is going to be a huge character regression and not very fun to watch imo. Basically almost all the writing for Nynaeve was done poorly if you ask me. They've built her up as someone who can track better then the best trackers in the land, who can heal near death, who can control weaves within someone elses circle, and who has awe inspiring power and that leaves little for forward growth without backtracking.

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    22 minutes ago, fra85uk said:

    Cut to EF: overview of EF---> Mat training with father with quarterstaff, Perrin working at the forge, etc etc.

    Cut to Rand/Fade sighting

    Cut to Rand arriving in EF---> interactions with Mat, Nyn listening to him from behind while he is saying something stupid about her and Rand trying to signal him to stop, Nynaeve on the verge on to explode--->Padan Fain arriving, Mat escapes Nyn scolding---> Padan Fain has news (false dragon)

    Needs a scene with Egwene getting her initiation into being an adult (Hair braiding) but not joining the womans circle (because I just don't see how it would be advisable to have someone who has literally just hit adulthood be on any sort of advisory council/governing body), and a scene of Nynaeve healing or maybe gathering healing herbs.  Can't just have it be all about the boys.

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    4 hours ago, RhienneAgain said:

    Would certainly simplify a very complicated magic system

    and make it a crutch to do what the writers need to do.

    4 hours ago, Katherine said:

    Agreed. I think even naysayers of the show have to keep conversations in the context of the show.

    Then rhey shouldn't have named it Wheel of Time. They should have written there own new show. You can't complain about getting comparisons when you literally use the name. 

     

    We were told we were getting a Wheel of time TV series. We were lied too.

    9 minutes ago, bryce0110 said:

    The idea of a female dragon is an interesting one

    In another age? Yes. During this age? No.

    It removes the issue of the conflict with the Dragon and the WT.

    It removes rhe issue of the Dragon going nuts and breaking the world.

    It removes the issue of the Dragon being untrained. 

    It removes a large part of the unification of ghe world (AS can just trot out their fully trained female Dragon and bring them to all the kings and queens theu spend time advising and poof, unification).

    11 minutes ago, bryce0110 said:

    I personally enjoyed the politics we saw, and it does set up many story lines further down the line

    How? We literally watched them pull some child level politics.

    Mom yelling at kid 1.

    Kid 1: but kid 2 did this.

    Mom swaps to kid 2 and actually falls for it.

     

    If that's good politics to you...

    1 hour ago, EmreY said:

    Which is why I am surprised at all the uproar.  While I will not say that the TV series is better than the books, I do not understand what is so brilliant about every character that deviations cause problems.  Is Lan diminished?  I think not.  But then, I don't think Rand is diminished either, so I'm probably in a very small minority in this forum

    Because frankly the only character who I think got better from them is in some ways mat. Because they show how much he cares about his family and doesn't just feel like a prankster is his only shtick. That said I hate rhe whole dark road they are forcing on him.

     

    The world development is much worse.

    The characters almost universally lack development.

    The magic system leaves us confused.

    And Lan absolutely is diminished. Theh could have given him an actual arc without making him fail at stuff he had no business failing at.

     

    Are the books best books ever? No. Like you said. They had issues. And largely I think the show has, instead of fixing issues, added to the issues or made issues worse. 

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    8 minutes ago, KakitaOCU said:

    Her first channeling was healing a disease that was going to break all of the person's bones and then kill them.  So yes, yes she can

    MASS AOE HEAL

    8 minutes ago, KakitaOCU said:

    just because you think it's bad doesn't mean others do, what's your point?

    Except we see clearly many think like I do, pretty much everywhere. Even full hard-core feminists think men got shafted. 

    8 minutes ago, KakitaOCU said:

    My real question here is, why ask for moments of men being competent and strong if you don't care about those moments because all you want to argue is your own narrative?  Just shows you came to this in bad faith

    I care about them. But men got vastly overshadowed by women in the show and if wasn't even close.  Not to mention all the vast men incompetent moments. For a series that's about balance that's a huge failing.