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    8 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

    It's easy to defend when I don't think men have been reduced to trash

    So what do you call it when all the best moments and times to shine went to women except one? What do you call it when every debate or discussion between men and women resulted in the women being right?

     

    A series that is supposed to be all about balance has none at this time.

     

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    9 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

    Honestly, I'm trying to engage in good faith here but when you say things like this it's really hard not to think you're just determined to hate everything regardless of what anyone says

    Can you show me one man who held a candle to what the women did on screen?

     

    Tam can't kill a trolloc but perrins wife could kill one with ease.

    Lan can't track his own aes sedai but nynaeve can.

    Agelmar shown to be distrustful of aes sedai and doesn't use channelers, only for his sister to turn around and use 5 women to wipe out thr biggest trolloc horde in memory. 

    Nynaeve mass aoe heals, assassinates trollocs, tracks moiraine, and somehow controls the flows in a circle she's not in control of.

    Egwene channels to free herself and perrin. Perin does nothing during that scene. She also heals near death. 

    LTT being utterly schooled by latra.

    Rafe literally admitting he had a feminist agenda.

     

     

    All this evidence and you have people like the person I quoted who can't even admit that men got screwed when it comes to times to shine?

     

    The fact that daddy can legit say men were given a fair shake makes me laugh.

     

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    2 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

    So? I don't think the show is garbage. I loved the farm attack. I loved how in control Tam was. If you don't like my opinion, that's your problem

    Okay good to know you defend reducing the men to being useless trash. I prefer my story that is supposed to be about balance to have some balance.

    3 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

    I totally get the trend that keeps getting highlighted, I just think there's a bit more nuance to it all personally

    My problem is the trend just keeps continuing though. If they had say in yhe last two episodes shown the men becoming more competent I could have forgiven it but they didn't.

    4 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

    A long time ago retired one, but yes. Tough situation being pinned against a wall. Narg is a mean and big SOB

    Since you brought it up earlier. How do you know it was narg? Did he talk?

    5 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

    I will say that the trollocs could have given her more trouble but it still doesn't bother me. She struggled. She was awesome and I would have loved to see more of her

    See exactly my point. You're literally still defending this garbage.

     

    Blademaster can't do it, her husband requires a bloody rage to do it,  but she can do it. And you somehow think they didn't do the men dirty?

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    5 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

    Was she?

    Okay let's assume she's not 

     

    So in one scene we have clearly an elite swordsman and he fails to kill a trolloc

     

    Meanwhile in another we have a woman who handles one with comparative ease.

     

    And you're gonna tell me they did Tam justice and that they "just missed the mark". No thanks. They screwed him up bad. But then again. Why am I not surprised? After all rafe did say he was going to push his feminist agenda and based on yhe numbers of times we get moments from men that make you scratch your head and the moments we get of women doing super amazing shit it doesn't surprise me.

     

    What does surprise me is how we can put evidence upon evidence in front of some of you and you can still deny that there was an Agenda to make men inferior. I mean literally rafe Said himself that he was going to do this and some of you guys still deny it.

     

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    5 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

    Is there anything they can't do wrong? It seems not.

    They have had good moments but a lot of the changes make zero sense and are going to cause problems later down the road.

     

    For example. What do you do with Nynaeve at this point that wouldn't be character regression?

    Same with moiraine.

     

    By changing how ef is portrayed you have already reduced the EF5 from a character development point as is.

    4 minutes ago, ilovezam said:

    And then heavily pregnant Laila takes care of at least one Trolloc with a double-handed weapon, in close quarters

    Exactly. 

    4 minutes ago, ilovezam said:

    I agree with you that they got the female characters wrong too, but for those, that's because they're "buffing" the women to show us how powerful and fearless they are, and the result is Mary Sue blandness and a lack of character development, which I guess is the opposite problem the male characters suffer from. It's such a shame, because I think Nynaeve being insufferable in Book 1 is a huge part of why she becomes one of my favourite characters ever, but they're skipping that entirely, and now we've got a blockless Nynaeve that can channel the Machin Shin away

    They have accelerated nynaeves chatavter to the point I'm worried about what they will do with her in the future.

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    6 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

    Well.. Sometimes it's nice to fully focus on my partner or vice versa. That's a part of a healthy sexual relationship

    So then have 1 scene where the focal point is one sex and one scene where thd focal point is the other. Keeps things in balance. You know. What the story is all about?

     

    But that clearly seems to be hard for the showrunners to do 

    2 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

    Sorry, I forgot to use my sarcasm font

    No I saw it. I'm just surprised that you can sit there wnd use an excuse like missed the mark when for some reason they seem to have no problem hitting the mark when it comes to the women. When you have a trend of hitting the mark with women and fail to hit the mark with men that is extremely suspect.

    2 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

    Oh you think there is a trend? Would you have examples perchance? Even, say, a list of all the things in your mind that prove your point

    Sure 

    Tam fails against the trolloc.

    LTTs discussion with latra.

    Thom coming across as nothing more then a cheap conman. 

    Mat being reduced to a thief. 

    Lan failing to track his own aes sedai.

    Lan being completely irrelevant in the final episode.

     

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    13 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

    There isn't a single fan here who wouldn't acknowledge the problems with the show

    Funny because everything I just listed has been defended. So doesn't seem like acknowledgement to me. 

     

    13 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

    . And we can "defend" some of them, in a "here i see what they wanted to achieve, they missed the mark", "what they did here actually works", "this other thing is not a big deal". But literally nobody denies the show has weaknesses

    And yet that's not what we're seeing. We point out rhe weak development of men and people are ready to sweep it under the rug. Poor lighting? Shitty aws sedai politics? Considered non issues by many of the defenders.

    13 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

     

    The bookcloaks, though? 

    "The show is crap"

    "The show is horrible"

    "The show is appalling"

    "The show is vomit inducing"

    "They didn't get a single thing right"

    "Everyone who says anything posite on the show is a fraud

    The people upset have also pointed out that it has its strong points. But I constantly see TV show fans defend even the dumbest changes. Like saying the magic system was changed for clarity.

    If the magic system was changed for clarity they absolutely failed to clarify anything. If it wasn't changes then some dialogue options make zero sense. 

     

    And yet I've seen people defend this. 

    13 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

    Don't you try to pass the other people as the prejudiced ones

    Both are prejudiced.

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    10 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

    I honestly wonder what corners of the internet some people are looking at. Literally every bit of WoT content I've looked at has talked about how poor episode 8 is

    Sarah nakamura literally defended episode 8.

    10 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

    Is there a whole other part of the internet I'm not aware of, which is all rainbows and unicorns and grolms, talking about how wonderful everything is in the WoT television show and absolutely nothing is wrong with it?

    Literally this site is full of people defending literally everything you could point out.

    The writing has been defended. 

    The lack of development of the men has been defended. 

    The crappy lighting and outfits have been defended.

    The super power ranger nynaeve has been defended.

    Even "moiraine has a tell" was defended.

    The changes to EF and the EF 5 have been defended.

    The 4th Oath was defended.

    The aes sedai bad politics were defended

    Even making men incompetent has been defended. 

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    2 hours ago, EmreY said:

    A review is a review.  No-one is under any obligation to give a good, bad or middling one; nor does a review become more honest because it agrees with one's views.

    A review by definition is: a critical appraisal of a book, play, movie, exhibition, etc.

     

     

    Key words are critical appraisal. You have to look at the good AND bad.

     

    If I wasn't being objective I'd rate this show around a 3 or 4 tops. As is I put it more around 6 to 6.5.

     

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    4 minutes ago, Truthteller said:

    since if there is one thing this series has proved to me is that there are no goal posts that cannot be moved, nothing that cannot be justified

    Seeing as I've now seen people defending even the writing of the show (even episode 8 ) and lighting (which was a problem all season long) and the costumes (which all looked brand new and not remotely lived in) I'd say you're right.

    3 minutes ago, Truthteller said:

    I really wish people would stop dismissing criticisms by saying that is just an opinion

    Even yhe harshest critics have admitted the show has strong points. Meanwhile most defenders seem unwilling to admit the show has clear flaws. I've even seen some defending thr lighting ..

    1 minute ago, Raal Gurniss said:

    Can’t see how they can blame the book fans for a collapse, I suspect many-most won’t really watch it further

    Because they always do this. Take something and drastically alter it from the source. When source fans abandon it, the source fans are blamed.

     

     

    24 minutes ago, Strahor said:

    It really is laughable how people are trying to defend bad writing and production, by saying that a character ''had more time''. Sure, more time means what, when you compare that with the storyline? Means nothing. Even in the episode 8, when we all ''knew'' that Rand is a ''Dragon Reborn'', we had no connection with him. So, when you're trying to defend a poorly written scenario, go from a point that Egwene or Moraine, had a lot more of interaction, based around the story, then Rand had

    It's hilarious that despite him having more screen time then anyone else (according to this anyway) he's still one of the least developed characters there is and even stepin got more development. 

     

    Like what did you do with all that time?