HeavyHalfMoonBlade

Are we any closer to any kind of consensus? We seem to be a bit divided in our attentions. Or maybe that is just me and I am projecting. I'm starting to feel Lenlo is such an obvious wolf that he probably isn't. Or WIFOM. Sighs. Turin/Dice/Gud? I really struggling. Don't really get wolf vibes off Turin, but is that because he says I'm probably Town? Is he playing it cool as a wolf? I wish you guys would come up with some convincing arguments.

Galad

Double

Fixies

I don't like RTE's push on Gud if is genuinely motivated by a wolf read. But if it is a "poke it with a stick and see which way it jumps" push I think it makes sense. Gudrean is a plausible wolf but there is very little if anything to pin on her. Get her to post more than memes and everyone has a better chance to read. It does come across as a bit mean, but I can see how it is actually serving a purpuse in game.

Ah, sorry. I do apologize for the combative comment. Obviously very wrong there.

Also just to say I thought I needed to apologise for my outburst last night but I can see now I should have held the rest of the post for post match. My bad.

Well, I think I have already done that. Though to be fair, other people may have a reading. I'm having trouble getting a read on you, Lenlo. Your tone has been very prickly and non-constructive throughout but I suppose that could very easily be NAI. I don't get why you are being so combative. I think a lot of people with outcome of D1 feel the need to reevaluate completely. You don't seem to quite have the same feeling, or am I wrong about that?

My suspicions on Dice, which are part of a Null read, would last game he was very much laser-pointed (that isn't a phrase sorry) on one issue which then became his reason for lynching that day. This game he doesn't seem to have that fire. Though I could be reading it wrong, and it could be due to simply different circumstances. It is pretty weak sauce, which is why I have a Null read.

Lot of shade being cast my way. Not a fan of Lenlo's tone but there you are. Cannot dispute the ownership of being inexperienced, or not, but don't see how that relates to AI so cannot argue. Don't know what I'm meant to be fishing for so cannot dispute that either. Null reads on Dice and Turin? Can't help that. I was sus of them both last game, was wrong. This game they seem maybe a bit more sus as they seem a bit more passive, but that could be NAI, and I know my reading of them isn't great and I cannot do a meta reading from the second game. So I cannot dispute that either. I guess I am just hugely suspicious by nature.

What am I meant to be fishing for? All the power roles (currently) have been revealed. I simply had never considered that a watcher would claim as it is not quite the same as a cop (until they have incriminating evidence at least).

I am, thanks. What has me a bit confused is that this is not like Vig or Cop with real power, least not quite as decisive but I had not fully considered the implication of the uniqueness of the role. Or weighed up the usefulness of a guaranteed wolf lynch (though only in two days? Would we always believe the CC? I guess so...)

Is that how it works with watcher? I mean I get if you are lying, then you are outing yourself to the real Watcher, but would they out themselves... I suppose. I dunno, seems confusing. However even puting you as lock clear doesn't help that much, indeed if anything it makes things for me much less clear.

From what has gone down in the thread (such as reactions once Verbal was no longer leading the VC) , it still seems to me that the wolves are Zander/Lenlo/RTE. But I do think Zander and RTE have been fairly convincing in their denials. I'm not entirely sure what should take precedence. Or what that would mean for my thoughts on Lenlo as a lot of my suspicions would be predicated on interactions with other suspicious players and if I'm changing my suspicions... Verb is the clear, and the other players have been lying low - I mean if Cass, Verbal and RTE were all town there is zero for them to do on D1. Just act like everyone else and they are invisible. Gud is a plausible wolf. Little solving, a few leans here and there which could be accurate for cred or inaccurate for confusion. Using her wily charms and sumptuous pockets to keep us all off guard. But plausible is not exactly much of a suspicion. Cairos seems Town, but really little to go on. Again if we have been barking up the wrong trees, anyones suspicions are NAI, as no wolves are in danger. Dice and Turin. Dunno, just Null read. Turin is much less in your face, much less trying to control the narrative. Does that mean he pees on three legs? I really don't know. Dice is the same humorous/grumpy mix but seems a lot less focused on bringing down targets, but maybe that is just me. So I'm stumped all in all. I guess if I have time I should reread the thread with a more open mind, more concentrating on the quieter players. But I don't know who to vote for at all atp. I don't even know if I am suspicious of Zander/Lenlo/RTE any more. Ateast I have come to realise that I'm not Zen!Heavy, but PostD2breakdown!Heavy, which sounds a lot less cool and windswept unfortunately.

I'd like to apologise for my outburst last night. I have found this game very frustrating, to the point of seriously considering quitting but decided to see if not posting would help. Perhaps trying to keep with reading was a bad idea. My frustrations have not been about people finding me suspicious, or about people not agreeing with my reads but the feeling of being completely ignored. Perhaps I am tapping into my own paranoia, but I feel completely excluded from trying to solve the game. This may be because my reads were completely rubbish and illogical, but they were my attempts at playing the game. It has really felt that as a new player, I have been nearly completely excluded from the game. The idea that inexperienced players are synonymous with incompetent players seems to permeate the chat. The idea that a new player couldn't be a wolf without literally typing I am a wolf by mistake. A player told me that I was either a wolf or bad, so obviously not worth concerning themselves with in either case. I don't know to what extent these frustrations come from my own sense of inadequacy, but dealing with them has been a struggle without snapping back at people. Hence why I tried to stop posting but sadly failed. It seems that town is struggling this game, but I don't know if that has to be a bad thing. It is just a game. I must admit while I have my suspicions I have very little certainty and that is why I'm trying to work through them and why it is so frustrating that no one appears to take seriously anything I post as it does nothing to help those uncertainties. Seeing as I am one of the leading lunch candidates, I'd happily try to resolve any suspicious feelings anyone has of me. Honestly just like last game, I have zero idea why I'm everyone's most suspicious player. Sorry for the wall of text, I just wanted to apologise for contributing to the negative atmosphere and try to explain where I was coming from, especially as I can do it at this point without personal insults and expletives.

Responsibility

Zander, how dare you criticise Town when you are literally killing us claiming you are too stupid to know the rules. We lose, your fault. Gl town, survive on your own.

Mind

Sin

Just thinking, should we ever decide to so this again, one way to speed it up a bit is to have multiple shots - either like simply three at a time, or have one shot for each ship still afloat. That also makes it easier for players to set down firing patterns, etc. Just food for thought.

Before I go into radio silence just posting this for your perusal. This is Lenlo casting shade on Cass for saving Verb. Note Lenlo was still voting for Cass at EoD, once we knew Verb was worthy of saving. This to me is a smoking gun. When Verb was leading the voting Lenlo was quiet, then goes super active to find a non-RTE lynching. And their behaviour towards each other has felt off to me the entire game. But take it as you will. Obviously as an inexperienced player I have no idea what I'm talking about. Good luck, town.

Well thank you for responding. But your claim that lynching Cass would bring suspicion on you seems untrue, everyone else (nearly) seems willing to let it go so it is not even a case of TWTBW. But again, thank you for your reply.

Sorry I must have misread/misunderstood what you were saying. Why are you saying I know the alignment of RTE? I'm saying he has been highly suspicious at multiple points. His let's not lynch Zander as he might be the Vig, his let's lynch Cairos whether he is a wolf or not, his "do you want to be my friend", his weird take on Lenlo being 100% town, the list goes on. And you, singlehandedly saved him from a 50% lynch chance. But whatever. You say you are really sus of RTE, but call suspicion on other players that are suspicious of him. Seems likely you are willing to bus him but want to keep the water muddy so you plausible deniability if you save him again. I don't have the energy for this. You guys solve it on your own if you you are so offended by my attempts.

Sorry you are right. Wolf!Zander would never bus a teammate for town cred. What could I possibly be thinking? And your right, why shouldn't you be rusty on majority rules when they were explained multiple times? Crazy of me not to let that go. And you want to explain how I'm as sus af?

And that is meant to be comparable to literally killing a Townie before everyone's eyes with the excuse you cannot read? And Verb is town, I thought we agreed. Why exactly would I be suspicious of him? Make it make sense, Zander. And why am I not sussing Dice or Turin? Because you, Lenlo and RTE are more suspicious and you are doing nothing to assuage my suspicions. BTW airlock = due to Among Us game.