HeavyHalfMoonBlade

Look at what has happened today - nothing has been done by anyone to build on the killing Mills to make Heavy look better. But killing Mills to clear the way for the attack on Heavy through Zander is 95% of the posting in D2. Which is more likely? Or are there any other ideas? Is every other player really going to just agree with Turin and move on? No discussion? No other possibilities? Why have you given Turin this much control of the narrative?

Gaah - just lost a long post as my internet hiccuped, I pressed submit and DM took me to a you are not connected to the internet page and ate the post. Thank you for the hug, @Gudrean, my apologies if I seemed unappreciative. Head is so full I don't even know what I said. It was however, heart moving and almost impossibly eloquent. Please just accept the gist of it: I'm town, lol 😎 I think I said Andy is plausible as Town. Wouldn't go further than that, but don't have much else to go on. Her comment just seems like a mistake, I don't think much can be read into it because of that, but perhaps she can clear up what she meant by it. I feel like a voice in the wilderness and no one is listening, or at least, not being convinced. Mislynching me is a big step towards the wolves winning and I don't see that there are many good arguments being made against me but if Zander changes his vote I'm as good as pushing up daisies in the town cemetery and not a single person seems in the slightest bothered by that. Why is no one even entertaining my reasoning at all? Because I don't have the I'm an old player hat? Why has Turin spent so much time and effort to implicate Zander but is voting me? Why are so many people saying well I'm suspicious of Heavy and x so that everyone can coalesce on me? Only two of you are wolves. I guess I just done lost the argument, but I cannot help feel that this was due to the volume of my opponents rather than the skill of their arguments. Please try to think of why Mills was killed. To give me town cred is a terribly bad reason. That would be totally a double edged sword. it would just as likely be a ploy by the wolves - heck more likely, we are talking about the choices of the wolves and the actions of a known wolf. How on earth would I ever think that would give me town cred? It doesn't make sense. Please think about it rather than just listening to Turin. It is bad logic. If you lynch me, I will flip town and then you will have to think about what that means about Turin. You might as well start now, might save some time on D3. Are his arguments really that convincing? How will you react when he says "oopsie!"?

Also Turin, it is pretty insulting that your theory is not just that I am wolf - but a rather dim one. Mills is an unexpected victim, so surely in trying figure out why people would look at the last action of a known mafia. I just don't buy it. Mills was a likely lynch target and I cannot get away from the fact that this is why he was NKd and the only person making use of this is Turin, especially with all the efforts of Turin to derail the whole D2 into a Zander-Heavy-Turin mudwrestling match where you are only allowed to wear really small underpants. Re: Gudrean, no I'm not taking it personally, especially not from whoever turns out to be wolves - that is the point of the game after all. I'm getting frustrated that the narrative is being completely controlled by Turin and Zander. People doing catch ups seem to be spending all their time reacting to them and discussing the agenda that they have set and not things like why was Mills killed. or ideas that come from the other players. And yes, I can admit I am egotistical enough that it does smart a bit when I ask for thoughts and someone replies, yeah Turin does seem right. I guess so should just be resigned to being lynched. No one is listening to me, or at least, no one is agreeing. Either we townies are going to defeat ourselves and the silent wolves will win by default or the wolves have the narrative and no one is challenging them. Frustrating.

I see you have discussing this in the wolf chat. Really? Gudrean is just going to back up Turin from now on? It is tenuous - as it gives little direct evidence to being town and involvement with a known wolf of any kind is suspicious in and of itself and is completely a ploy or double bluff moment. It isn't going to convince anyone either way nor does it explain what the reason is that we are meant to accept that Mills was killed (not the big brain wolf chat reason). Why would I as a wolf not just kill Turin and then lynch Mills as he was everyone's second favourite lunch on D1? It is complicated and tenuous and most damning of all, no one has argued that it gives me town cred. So it was a pretty crappy plan if it was. And why am I the only one that is pointing out how strange a target Mills was, if my wolfy plan was to subliminally convince every one I am Town? I would want everyone to just gloss over who was NKd. Indeed who is distracting from the incident of the Mills in the Nighttime? Zander but most importantly Turin, who blows up so violently immediately on D2 that I was genuinely concerned that things had gone too far. But is Zander just unable to stop spamming back or in on the deal? Why is Gudrean suddenly backing up Turin like he is making sense? WHY ARE YOU ALL ACTING LIKE WOLVES??? Seriously starting to consider voting for myself. No one is trying to solve, no one seems to be on the town side anymore.

So what is your theory Zander? As the Town leader should you not be giving us answers?

So why would Zander the wolf give town cred to Heavy the townie? Seems a tenuous set-up that brings as much suspicion on me that relieves. Almost like a rationalisation but that thanks for responding.

Adding I suppose Zander also was quoted on D1 saying he was lynching me or Mills - after the bump in the night he no longer has to back on that so... Could be a big brain move from Zander. No, really.

Also, no one else has come back on the theory of why Mills was NKd when he did not seem to be much of a threat in solving who did what with the candlestick in the conservatory, and seemed a likely lynch target. It still seems like a big brain move from Turin so he can target me and Zander (only pretend to Zander? time will tell). What does anyone else think? Why have we been all so derailed by Turin and Zander that no one else is posting but reacting to their constant bickering about nothing (No I said that the cop should not reveal themselves. No I did! No you didn't stop twisting my words, wolf! Fine let's agree to disagree). So thoughts people please? @Andy MacLeod, @Sooh, @Gudrean, @Donchadh, @dicetosser1 For some reason I don't thinking pinging the spammers is necessary.

If you go to their profile there is a button that says "See their activity" which will lead you to a list of all their posts, not just the one page on the main profile page. On mobile it is also there but is just a little icon that looks like a newspaper at the top to the right of the Message button. Not sure how much that help for Zander or Turin though.

So, hypothetically speaking, this ploy of a W/W fight in chat, would that look something like this pointless bickering about the cop? Asking for a friend.

Sorry this is just low hanging fruit. Will resist.

Yeah that did come across funny.

So Gudrean and Turin. So sorry for all my bs.

I said Cairos flipping town would incriminate Turin as he had controlled the narrative that was leading to him get lynched... So lynching a townie, sus wolf. But when Cairos flipped wolf, did that give Turin town cred? Or was it deliberate? Would he have preferred to get another train going, saved Cairos and then always had the fall back position that he had pushed Cairos from the beginning? Everything changes when you assume someone is town or mafia, or if it is exactly as it seems, a ploy or a double bluff. Anything that happens can fit into nearly any narrative

Or let's follow this further. If I'm lynched, will Turin come back to his massive post of Zander suspicion and say oops, but I'm sure Zander is mafia? Why lynch "the sidekick" first?most of Turin's suspicions seem to be based on Zander and me interacting. If Zander flipped town that would remove a lot of suspicion from me. Really feel like this is a ploy to lynch me then Zander... Or maybe give Zander town cred. But I don't think it makes sense to take Turin's position then push me. Why not coopt my suspicion of Zander for that train? Feels very lupine.

I'd that seems about right. Just as a point if I get lynched and then Turin claims this gives Zander town cred as he must have been wrong about both us I think we have our two remaining wolves. Obviously I could just flapping my lips here but once I flip town remember this. That will not Z any town cred.

I answered your question but you weren't happy with the answer so I elaborated and now even less happy? I am confusion.

It takes you substantial effort to snark *does not compute* So I'm a wolf because I think Zander is totally sus. And you have just spent all morning (or last night was not keeping up) explaining how sus Zander was. Even though his behaviour was not hugely different than yours or Dice's. But you are so convinced that Zander is wolf you are voting me. Well that seems convincing. The most painful part of all this is that you think if me and Zander were in a private chat he would be telling me what to do. I'd be like "lolololololol great plan bro let's get back the wrasslin". Nearly hope I do get lynched to get out of this stress and leave a massive I told you so to you all. Turin: wolfy mcwolf Z: sus as get out Everyone else: not much better.

Least suspicious is Gudrean, the sus things she has said seem too much like newbie errors. But I would not go as far as saying I would not lynch her. Certainly unlikely to vote for her as things stand now, even Turin notwithstanding.

People having "not touching" lists smacks of suspicion and nepotism, if you ask me. Unless we are talking about a different kind of touching.

And I called it. Turin spends 400 posts explaining why Zander is mafia, switches vote to me as I am Zander's "plus one", which is rather unsubstantiated. Makes no sense. Not to me at least though I have the advantage of knowing I'm town, I suppose.

Yup. Pretty much on the money there.

Would not lynch: nada Would lynch: Turin (if I had to narrow it to one)

I mean having the feeling that they are town. That I don't feel unreasonably suspicious of their posts.

Well, I put some doubt there. It was a strange thing to say, but as the other person on Turin I can confirm I'm not wolf... Which yeah obviously I would say. But it makes a difficult read on Andy, did she say the wrong thing? Was she, it her handler, hoping it would look worse for me and when I flipped town that would give her town cred? Turin comes up with a case against Z and tacks on "and Heavy". Andy slips about wolves including Heavy. It feels like a conspiracy and yet you cannot all be wolves. Cannot say for me anyone comes across as Town. Sooh most like it, but that in itself seems a red flag rather than something comforting.