LucaNox220

It is a response of feeling not the actual effect so I say they are fine breaking renna’s nose would not result in the Damane’s nose being broken just that she experiences twice as much pain as she does, so a painless, subtle or quick death would be fine unless the method that kills them is extremely painful like burning alive. edit it to add it’s worth remembering that until the Westland’s they did not have a method of healing using their damane if I remember correctly, so chances are, it’s more important for them to defend them not because if their master dies, they die too for more because if they’re critically injured without access to healing magic, their master would slowly and painfully die right there and there would be nothing they could do about it. So for example, we know that they’re used in war say they’re blasted by a spell that results in their body being littered in shrapnel, the Sul’dam’s pain is going to be immense doubling that’s gonna be enough to incapacitate or kill the damane but quick death no matter how painful aren’t going to kill them.

Also just noted this one, but the question is would your sul’dam dying immediately result in your death? Because it’s a pain feedback, but pain has its limit, even if you feel twice as much pain as them. There are plenty of methods of death while heard for a moment aren’t enough to cause the beating pain or even kill you for example say you have the strength of Will to strangle them to death that’s darkening and it makes you faint, but there’s no real indication that it’s a massive amount of physical pain, at least an unbearable amount. The worst thing would be is burning in your lungs, but you can tolerate that.It’s more of a slowly fading of the world around you depending on how a collar interprets that it’s entirely possible you could strangle them to death by gripping their throat. Admittedly, you wouldn’t be able to do this while they were holding the leash most likely but they’re taking it off for the night and you were close enough to grab them. You could still strangle them while they slept. Again, it’s been a while since I’ve read the books on surprisingly they were a bit too long for most people to do a casual reread myself included. Moment extra prepared you had a point about the cramps and being unable to grab the collar though I still think that, but the pain indicator that I remember that shows the death of the leash holder results in the death of the person wearing a collar at least not 100% accurately rather than collateral

Huh must misremember that but I don’t think Egwene failed because the collar stopped her that way I thought she was just in too much pain to focus on weaving especially as a novice with very little experience channeling. We did see others use weaves to remove the collars but maybe it stops them from doing other than theoretically if you could get two people working together, you could remove it. You use your weave to remove the collar on the other person and then they’d remove it from you by hand or use a weave as well.

I 100% agree with all of this. There’s also the fact that the way they control you is through pain and pleasure but as you mentioned theoretically you can push through the nausea so similarly if you were determined enough, you can take off the collar it’ll hurt like hell, but if you are determined enough, you can do it Because it causes painful cramps when you try and touch it but it doesn’t actually physically prevent you from doing so and there were plenty of examples of people through sheer adrenaline and other means pushing through physical pain. There’s also a question we know it’s possible to draw in Saidar in limited amounts so theoretically, you could form a weave of air and unlock the collar that way like we know is possible you mentioned before it would hurt like hell but it’s possible. It’s also worth questioning how does the collar work in that regard? Does it just say the Damane tried to channel or does it let you know how much they managed to channel because if it just like a switch where if you try and channel the light turns on, Then you could theoretically at least train yourself to draw in more power. It would definitely be difficult because the mental strain it would put on you enduring torture for that long, especially since they punish you every time you try to channel, but you could do it, so if you were willing to try it from the start. You could likely in a few weeks, honestly maybe even less given how adaptable humans can be channel enough to be able to consistently use weaves even through the pain. I say probably two or three weeks to be able to pushing through the pain without issue at minimum and then another week or two to consistently form weaves. But if you are just trying to get the collar off and theoretically already know how to form such a weave maybe a week at most. Connected to the question of channeling in the collar how does it work with the Sal’dam cutting you off. are you capable of pushing past it can you struggle against them the same way you can in a normal circle and usurp control, forcing yourself to channel in spite of their efforts or is it an immediate shut down.(Personally my theory is that it’s a bit of a mix a proper channeler who knows how to use the power can shut it down instantly with minimal effort, but for the slavers of the empire, who deliberately don’t know how to channel they’d likely have a much harder time doing so.) There’s also the question of a mental tricks like you know fantasy where it’s like oh you can’t hurt this person so you don’t think of it is hurting them for example you pick up a broom and rather than attacking your enemy with that you’re cleaning a mess or you’re throwing it in frustration or you’re not actually attacking with it. Admittedly, this would likely be very difficult to consistently pull off, but theoretically, you could do it disassociate yourself and considering this object as a weapon, you’d likely have to train for that one specific object in task, but it is possible. also another point that I don’t really see brought up that much is how does it inflict the pain because I have a theory that if you have one of those weaves that protect you from compulsion, it would also protect you from the A’dam’s attempt to cause you pain because the way it does so effectively a form of compulsion.