In book 4, Hopper tells Perrin that he will run with him in the last battle soon. I was thinking about that... Wow I guess the last battle will be in Tel'aran'rhiod... Then it hit me what that means. If they seal the dark one's prison there... then it would be sealed in ALL other worlds because Tel'aran'rhiod connects to all of them. Although the problem presented itself of stuff done there does not really change anything in the real world. Well, I figure that if you are there in the flesh it very well might stick in the real world. Anyway, just had to share that to see what other people think about it.

IMHO you're half right. I believe that the Last Battle will be a combination of both. I mean let's face it. Jordan's been writing for a quarter of a human life span, give or take. People have been reading for about the same time. The Last Battle absolutely MUST be bigger than big. It's gotta be obscenely ridiculously OVER-THE-TOP can't swing a friggin' cat without smacking 1000 trollocs plus a couple o' hundred Myrddral to boot. So yeah it's got to be physical, yet there's definately going to be a dream world component. Probably Perrin, wise one's, cydane, moghedian among many others. Well that rant went longer than I expected... uhh sorry if I came off as sorta crazy/harsh... cause I kinda am.

Nah, it will prbably be something like Isam and Hopper killing each other.

 

The part with Rand and DO will definitely not be in TAR because Rand is pathetic in TAR.

Then again it could mean that hopper will be reborn befor the last battle.

Hopper riding Bela into the Last Battle!

Trollocs flee in fear! WAHAHAHAHA! :twisted:

Well I imagine Rand will lead the Aiel at some point during ole' Tarmon, along with his chosen channeling 'companions'...both because that makes sense, and Rand does have to shatter the Aiel's numbers. It would make sense for some of the war to take place in TAR, as well.

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Couldn't agree more.

 

Most of the fighting will happen in the real world.

Most of the key-battle will happen in the Unseen World.

 

Just my two Tar Valon marks worth.

I don't think any key-fighting will be in the unseen world.

 

Also depends on wat you mean by "key-fighting" anyways.

 

Rand's fight will be keyly definitely and I have already said that it will not be in TAR, (because even Rahvin beats him there).

What if Mat leads the Lights forces in the real world, and Perrin lead them in Tel`aran`rhiod?

That can work, but if I was Mat I would be thinking that I got the short end of the stick since Perrin got to sleep through the Last Battle. :lol:

 

edit: ugh, short end of bargain, sharp end of stick.

Anyone else interested to see Faile in TAR with Perrin?

 

Say, she finds a Ter'angreal which requires no channeling and accompanies Perrin into TAR behind his back (he's obv told her off for doing it) and she saves him while he tries (and almost fails to save hopper)) Anyone else like the idea of that?

 

Perrin ftw.

^ How about she dies instead? :)

 

Seriously, that's a little...small potatoes...for the Last Battle. Tarmon Gai'don itself, y'know?

I second that!!! :D Perhaps the light will have a chance at winning TG if she dies and Perin becomes a man again.

 

Now that's a memory of light!!! Life for Perin before Faile! :lol:

Three cheers for the end of Faile!! :P

Hmmm, maybe it's just me, but I personally like the whole Faile/Perrin matchup. :?: Anyways lol, something TheoryMan said reminded me of something. When Rand and party discover the Portal Stones, doesn't Moiraine or Verin mention that there is only one Creator in all the worlds and one DO in all the worlds? So wouldn't that mean that Rand could seal the Dark One or defeat him in the real world, and he would still be sealed away/defeated? I can't remember the exact spot they talk about this, but I am sure that I remember this conversation.

Can trollocs/shadowspawn enter TAR? If they can then that would pose some major problems.

Can trollocs/shadowspawn enter TAR? If they can then that would pose some major problems.

 

Since they can't pass through a gateway alive, and they can't channel, probably not.

Do they have dreams though, I remember somebody (Wise Ones?) saying something about it, but I can't remember what or when or where. :(

Do they have dreams though, I remember somebody (Wise Ones?) saying something about it, but I can't remember what or when or where.

 

Even if that's true (and it might be for Trollocs) its irrelevant.

If they have dreams, why can't they be dreamwalkers?

Because they're not human. The same reason they non of them can channel. Trollocs do not have the same abilities as humans.

So you are saying that wolves are genetically closer to humans than trollocs are?

 

I thought trollocs have some human genes in them.

So you are saying that wolves are genetically closer to humans than trollocs are?

 

No. The wolves' presence and abilities in Tel'aran'rhiod are totally different than the humans' abilities. The Trollocs share neither.

 

I thought trollocs have some human genes in them.

 

The differences are enough that NONE of the Trollocs can channel, even though that is genetic. DNA is based on four molecules that are the same whether you're a human or a sponge. The fact that there is some human and/or wolf DNA in Trollocs does not mean that they have to share some human mental abilities.

Can trollocs/shadowspawn enter TAR? If they can then that would pose some major problems.

 

Since they can't pass through a gateway alive' date=' and they can't channel, probably not.[/quote']

 

Where does it say that Trollocs etc. can't pass through gateways? Not doubting you, but wondering if I'm misunderstanding, because isn't that how the Forsaken have made certain strategic shadowspawn attacks (like in TSR)? Maybe this comes out in a later book that I haven't re-read yet?

In KOD, after the attack on the manor house. Logain asks Rand where the trollocs went that were hit by the deathgates. Rand tells Logain that it doesn't matter, shadowspawn can't survive passing through a gateway.