Since the Aiel split, the Shaido have been cast as the baddies. Sevaana is stupid, greedy and arrogant, but there's no suggestion she's a darkfriend. Thereva is a demented lesbian, but i think she's too pantomime villian to really be a darkfriend.

The only Aiel darkfriend we've seen is Melaine, who tried to kill Matt using her lady parts.

Is there any hint that any of Rand's truest followers are walking the dark path?

How far have you gotten in the books?

all the way.including about 6 re-reads. but i'm drawing a complete blank.

 

help me.

Alright, well if I remember correctly, Sevanna has had several "dealings" with darkfriends. I haven't read the books in a while, so I can't give details, but I know she has had help from, I think... Greandal and Samael, though I don't know if she knew who they were or not.

 

Anybody else remember anything?

Nah....she didn't have a clue. She thought they were spoilt wetlanders, and she was just after whatever power she could get her hands on.

I have to agree with Mikey on the stuff about Sevanna there. She was after Power, and "Cader" (or whatever his name was) Sammael was offering what she wanted.

Hmm... alright. I was just throwing that our there, but I haven't read the books in a while. Personally, I think Sevanna is a nutcase, but that's just my opinion ;)

Since the Aiel split' date=' the Shaido have been cast as the baddies. Sevaana is stupid, greedy and arrogant, but there's no suggestion she's a darkfriend. Thereva is a demented lesbian, but i think she's too pantomime villian to really be a darkfriend.

The only Aiel darkfriend we've seen is Melaine, who tried to kill Matt using her lady parts.

Is there any hint that any of Rand's truest followers are walking the dark path?[/quote']

 

Not Melaine, Melindhra. Melaine is a Wise One dreamwalker married to Bael, sister-wife to Dorindha and currently pregnant with twins. ;)

I thought that sounded wrong... I just couldn't remember the real name... *sigh* I need to do a reread, this is pathetic.

Yup. My bad. Or was it my subconsionce throwing something out for me. How very Freudian!

Yes, I'm sure that's it. ;)

I get the feeling that the personal freedom and acceptance of death enjoyed by the Aiel discourage them from joining the shadow. Most want no power, the Wise Ones and Chiefs take their positions out of duty not seeking power. And they are repeatedly saying "death comes for us all". So while there are aborations like Melindrah and in a differant manner the leaders of the Shaido, most notably Sevana and Couladain, most are not seeking the things that the Shadow promises.

Very true. Never actually thought about it that way. But you're right, there are a few exceptions, and they turn out to be very dangerous.

I always like that though, I would be angry if Sevanna was a DF. The Shaido are proof that you don't need to serve the Great Lord to be a horrible person.

I didn't think about that. Which helps everybody realize that not everybody they hate is a darkfriend.

Very true--that's one thing I really like about WoT. The clear-cut distinctions of good and bad that characterize so many stories are just plain wrong; I like to see realistic variety among characters. Although I think Sevanna and Daved Hanlon would make a dangerously good couple. :twisted:

You know, about the only wise one we can state for sure is not a darkfriend is Sorilea, and even for her its conjecture... the fact is we just dont know. Certainly i think one of the high up aiel characters will be shown to be a darkfriend before the end.

It's the high up Aiel i was wondering about. And I do have a gut feeling it will be one of the Wise One's that we've met.

On the Sorilea front, Min has visions that she has difficuty believing IIRC. Is it that she's just really really old? Or could it be something more sinister than that?

Min sees Sorilea in Rand's hand, and that she will serve him in her fashion. Her disbelief is at the idea of Sorilea serving anyone, but remember, she also sees Elza in Rands hand, so perhaps all bets are off.

Well, the "in her fashion" is obviously the key to the viewing. Elza does what she thinks is best, for her own reasons, and it ends up serving Rand (I'm thinking here of killing Dashiva/Aran'gar). Sorilea's actions will probably benefit Rand ultimately, even if it is not in the way or for the reasons he consciously desires.

 

So, while this viewing does not necessarily preclude Sorilea being a Darkfriend (obviously, given the example of Elza) it seems much, much more likely that it just means Sorilea is the ultimate Wise One who has her own agenda, and that agenda will ultimately benefit Rand.

 

Basically, what Luckers said, just long-winded-er.

No i'm sure i remember something else......

have absolutly nothing to do this weekend so shall hunt it down!

deerstalker is being donned as we speak!

Oops! I found that quote that was bugging me about Sorilea and it turned out it was about her age after all! My bad!

 

"How old do you think Sorilea is? And that Colinda. I saw- No.No, it doesn't have anything to do with you. Maybe the heat is affecting me. When I know , I always know.

I think the 20 or so Aiel that tried to kill Mat in LoC were darkfriends. They had gated in there, so unless Rand decided him and Mat weren't friends anymore it was probally one of the forsaken that sent them.

In theory Sorilea could be anywhere up to 700 years of age.

Lots of mentions of Aiel darkfriends in TfoH, chapter 29 I belive. Kadere receives a note from a darkfriend Aiel saying he's not alone among strangers, and Kadere muses about this for a while;

 

"Natael [Asmodean] had told him that there must be darkfriends among the Aiel - There were darkfriends in every land, among every people - but he had never wanted to find brothers in the Waste. "

 

Also, as mentioned before, the Aiel attack on Mat in LoC. Seeing as how they were gated there, it strongly suggests so.